If evolution is wrong, is Creation right?

Now where have I heard all this before...?And while we're on the subject of Hovnid...

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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Can you show under experiment a human change into another kind?

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Can you show how they would change into a wandangafoo?No, don't ask me what a wandagafoo is. Just tell me if a human can change into a wandangafoo.

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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You cannot rely on fossils, theres no date stamped on them.

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There are many threads on this forum about dating methods for fossils. If you have a problem with them, go argue them on those threads. In the meantime, yes, fossils practically do have their date stamped on them.

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What is alive today? Thats what we can look at.

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So basically, in studying the ways in which life forms change over time, you want to only examine one specific point in time.Sounds a little like studying advanced calculus, but only using the number 3.

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Plus why did some apes turn to humans and others stay perfect apes? Explain that one.

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Who on Earth gave you the idea that apes turned into humans?

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Ok and as for Hovind, he may have a couple things where he's worng , everybody does, but a good %95 of what he says is true and relevant..

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I'm sorry, but you should really read the Hovnid analysis that's been provided for you a couple times on this thread. The man displays a deep-seated misunderstanding of basic high school biology. Then he tries to speak on PHD-level science.

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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Genetic information is information in the gene code. Does that make sense? New information would be EXACTLY the same as NEW INFORMATION.

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Do you realize that in defining the word "information", you used the word "information" four times?

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Someone said anything Hovind comes up with is wrong. Sounds like a BIG predjudice to me.

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What I said is that he doesn't even have a basic understanding of high school biology. His own statements (such as the one you paraphrase in the above post) bear this out. So why would he be at all qualified to speak on evolution?

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The gene code only allows for black, white and everything in between, so they can change WITHIN that but not outside of it i. e. purple fur.

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Then what's the deal with red squirrels? [This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 02-02-2004]

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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Doesn't anyone know what that means? Look in a dictionary.

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A quick spin by dictionary.com reveals seven different definitions for the word "information". It specifically notes that, when applied to various field of study (ie computer science, law) the word means very different things.So, as it applies to the field of evolutionary biology, what is your definition of "information"?MPW: What do you want?
Dan: The definition of "information".
MPW: You won't get it!
Dan: By hook or by crook, we will.

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You like to say this, but give me a few statements that show he doesn't have an understanding for high school biology!

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"Some bacteria today seem to cause problems. And same thing with viruses, they cause problems. But it may only be to the weaker individuals. When somebody gets a cold, if a virus is really causing this, why doesn't everybody get the cold?""I say, you guys have to get two cells to evolve from the [primordial] soup - of the opposite sex, in the same place, at the same time. It's a big world, you know, cells are kind of small - they've got to find each other.""If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. Think about that.""The entire theory of evolution is built upon the faulty assumption that the origin of the universe was 'billions of years ago'""And, yes, life is made of ninety two basic elements .....""I did not even know what being a humanist meant. I was only sixteen, and the brain doesn't even start developing until about twenty."Should I keep going?

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I wasn't giving you the actaul facts.

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No.Freakin'.Kidding.

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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A squirrel will go from black to gray, but never grow wings.

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What about flying squirrels, that have glider wings?Let me guess, still not giving us actual facts? [This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 02-02-2004]

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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Flying sqirrles of course, were created with wings.

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So, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that basic grey squirrels, red squirrels, and flying squirrels are all different created kinds, correct? After all, you've been pretty adamant that one cannot change to another, and that they were all created as is, without change.

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GIVE ME A BREAK that was a JOKE! He was making the crowd laugh!

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I don't get it. How is it a joke to say that the brain does not begin developing until you're 20?I mean... I laugh when I think "I'll bet Hovnid's didn't", but I don't think that's the punchline he was going for.

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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Knowledge derived from study, experience, or instruction.

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Out of curiosity, how much knowledge derived from study, experience, or instruction is there in DNA?Do you see why we want you to specify what definition you are using?

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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Actually, they are different kinds, unless you can prove that one changed to the other.

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So, if they are different kinds (as you say they are) then you would consider evidence of a change that was equally drastic (or moreso) as, say, changing fur color from grey to red to be evidence of change between kinds?

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I could say your sense of humor is sleeping, but I won't. Just that he does more than 100 seminars every year, and every room roars with laughter.

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I guarantee you, I'd roll on the ground clutching my sides at a Kent Hovnid lecture. But that doesn't explain how saying that the brain doesn't begin developing until you're 20 is a joke. (As oppose to, say, rank ignorance.)[This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 02-02-2004]

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still