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jar
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Message 411 of 479 (729642)
06-16-2014 11:17 AM
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06-16-2014 11:02 AM


Re: The Freewill Defense
Humanity will NEVER become godlike and understand this universe...we still kill each other and are greedy manipulative bastards.
But at least according to the Bible God killed others and was a manipulative bastard. In addition it certainly seems we are way ahead of God, at least the God in the Bible in understanding this universe.
Based on your criteria and what the Bible says humans are at least god2.0.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 415 of 479 (729652)
06-16-2014 12:06 PM
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06-16-2014 11:52 AM


Re: The Freewill Defense
No, I present the argument to point out that you are factually wrong.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 421 of 479 (729698)
06-17-2014 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 418 by Phat
06-16-2014 5:30 PM


Speaking in Jaberwocky
You have never taken the Christian concept of asking GOD into your heart....which you somehow consider silly and/or fantasy.
And yet again I will ask you, "What the hell does that even mean?"
Unless you can explain what that means how could I take that concept seriously?
By holding on to your own veto power in regards to what you can factually prove...you may well have kept yourself out of communion.
Again, "What the hell does that even mean?"
Do you mean that when something is refuted by facts I should ignore reality and embrace fantasy?
I submit that you cannot frame the issue with human logic, reason, and reality.
What issue? Why can't reason, logic or reality be used for that issue?
AbE:
Remember this started with this exchange.
jar writes:
Phat writes:
Humanity will NEVER become godlike and understand this universe...we still kill each other and are greedy manipulative bastards.
But at least according to the Bible God killed others and was a manipulative bastard. In addition it certainly seems we are way ahead of God, at least the God in the Bible in understanding this universe.
Based on your criteria and what the Bible says humans are at least god2.0.
Edited by jar, : see AbE
Edited by jar, : fix subtitle
Edited by jar, : stil appalin spallin

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 425 of 479 (729706)
06-17-2014 1:27 PM
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06-17-2014 11:57 AM


Re: Speaking in Jaberwocky
It means (1) That God is alive..today..now...through Jesus...who is alive today.
Again, "What the hell does that even mean?"
It means embracing the idea and possibility of communion with God and believing that He desires communion.
So how does one commune with God or know the entity you are communing with is God and not just a bad burrito?
It simply means that you agree that being of one mind(versus double minded) and being of one heart (with the Creator of all seen and unseen) is a beginning...
More Jabberwocky. What the hell does that mean?
Often, however...in demanding evidence for supernatural(or unexplained) events, we can shut ourselves off from being healed...or of learning the "deeper mysteries of God".
"Just the place for a Snark!" the Bellman cried,
As he landed his crew with care;
Supporting each man on the top of the tide
By a finger entwined in his hair.
"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true."
What the hell does "deeper mysteries of God" mean and what are they good for?
I agree that we should never simply "check our brains at the door". I mean that we should never abandon faith while waiting for evidence. You seem to think God is like a parent who has kicked their offspring out of the nest and refuses to help them at all. Such a God is unapproachable and distant...making me feel like pond scum rather than a human.
So it comes down to creating a God that makes YOU feel good?
What possible good does that statement do for peoples faith? If we humans are charged to try and do our best, what insight can possibly be had through viewing God as a flawed character in a book rather than the One whom we trust and whom we commune with and whom gives us wisdom so that we actually can do our best on a daily basis?
What possible good would it do to pretend that Gandalf was actually a horse and hobbits were nine feet tall and wore shoes?
It is simply what the Bible actually says; a concept that is called honesty IIRC.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 431 of 479 (821923)
10-15-2017 12:54 PM
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10-15-2017 12:27 PM


Re: Speaking in Jaberwocky
Phat writes:
When you used to go to church and everyone recited the Book Of Common Prayer, and the people spoke as one voice, did you ever believe that anyone besides the people in the room heard the prayer?
No one recites the Book of Common Prayer. What is important is whether or not YOU hear what is being said.
The Book of Common Prayer is not just a simple piece, it is rather a whole collection of historical knowledge, prior art, exercises and guides. It is something to help YOU meditate or learn your duties, or place your belief systems in relation to reality.
Phat writes:
Perhaps since asking Jesus into your heart is untestable or untested or an example of what you believe to be bad marketing, you simply ignore the idea.
I simply have absolutely no idea what "asking Jesus into your heart" even means.

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jar
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Message 439 of 479 (821939)
10-15-2017 3:29 PM
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10-15-2017 1:37 PM


Re: Speaking in Jaberwocky
Since it doesn't seem to have any meaning other than what the individual wants it to mean I would say it is of no importance but if YOU decide that it means something that helps YOU then it is supremely important.
It's what you do that counts not what you say.

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jar
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Message 441 of 479 (821993)
10-17-2017 8:34 AM
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10-17-2017 7:54 AM


Re: Speaking in Jaberwocky
Pressie writes:
I'm of a different opinion. What counts as being advantageous to a society is what is really important. That includes the opinions of the members of the society.
But opinions are not really important, actions are. I society may well think women (or any other demographic) worthless but if the do not treat women as worthless than the opinion had no effect on the society.
It's what a society does that is important, not what it opines.

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jar
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Message 451 of 479 (822092)
10-19-2017 6:30 AM
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10-19-2017 2:25 AM


Re: Speaking in Jaberwocky
RC Sproul has a habit of saying really stupid stuff at times.

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jar
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Message 456 of 479 (824303)
11-26-2017 7:33 AM
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11-26-2017 7:22 AM


Re: Speaking in Jaberwocky
Sorry but I can't think of any worse examples off the top of my head and RC Sproul is certainly not high on my reading list and I definitely don't listen to videos or recordings.
AbE:
Let me expand just a little.
Sproul is a Calvinist and honestly, I find that since Calvinism is based on absolute absurdities that run totally counter to anything Jesus supposedly taught it is simply not worth much if any effort and deserves nothing but ridicule.
Calvinism is IMHO one of the most perverse doctrines ever created by mankind.
Edited by jar, : see AbE:

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jar
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Message 458 of 479 (824309)
11-26-2017 11:45 AM
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11-26-2017 11:38 AM


Re: Speaking in Jaberwocky
Phat writes:
How many of the preachers are Calvinists?
Sproul is a Calvinist.
Phat writes:
Am I a Calvinist? What does one have to believe to be a Calvinist?
You often post as a Calvinist but I have no idea if you are a Calvinist. Are you a member of one of the Calvinist chapters of Club Christian?
Do you know what TULIP is and subscribe to TULIP?

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jar
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Message 462 of 479 (824348)
11-27-2017 9:05 AM
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11-27-2017 8:30 AM


Re: Tiptoe through the TULIPS
Phat writes:
To be honest, I never really realized that Calvinism was so prevalent in American Christianity.
You are not alone. Most Christians are unaware of the actual history of Christianity or any other religion. Once you finish studying Calvin and Calvinism look at John Knox. He made Malcolm X seem a pacifist.
These are things I believe should be part of every young Christians Sacred Studies to help them make informed decisions related to beliefs and not just be subjected to the bumper sticker theology that is the norm.

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jar
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Message 464 of 479 (824353)
11-27-2017 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 463 by Phat
11-27-2017 9:08 AM


Re: Tiptoe through the TULIPS
Phat writes:
and my question is how many of the denominations would fall under this category?
I doubt there is an set number since today in the US there seems to be more Non-demominational churches then there are denomination themselves.
A partial list would include most denominations that include "Reformed" in their name, Presbyterians, some Methodists, United Church of Christ, some Baptist sects.
But remember, in many cases even Calvinists disagree about what a True Calvinist much believe.
TULIP or some version of TULIP is most often a key point of Dogma that distinguishes Calvinism.

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jar
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Message 475 of 479 (825294)
12-11-2017 3:26 PM
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12-11-2017 2:29 PM


Re: Aussie Questions
Phat writes:
Im not sure that the old man from Deep South Texas understands what it means to need comfort.He was probably taught "awww tough! Grow up!"
No, that certainly was not what I was taught. But what comfort are you looking for?

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jar
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Message 478 of 479 (825298)
12-11-2017 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 476 by Phat
12-11-2017 3:55 PM


Re: Reassurance
Phat writes:
Why shouldn't GOD want to help me? Why can't I get blessed with money or better health?
I thought you had a job, health insurance, pension and Social Security?
Why must I have aches and pains and asthma and thyroid problems and kidney issues?
We get old Phat. We do get sick.
Phat writes:
Why dont you talk with GOD? Is it really that ridiculous? Why do you limit your meditations to how YOU can do better? Why not ask for help?
I have enough trouble trying to figure out what I should do.
I think I've mentioned that it isn't the big things we need to do.
It helps to think about what I can do within the limits I face. Is there really anything more I need help with?
I have food. I have reasonable health. I have challenges. I'm not sure what else I really want.
Phat writes:
Could it be that the idea that I had about my parents carried over into how I expect God to act towards me? If so, whats so wrong with expecting anything?
Is the way you approach life making you happy? Does expecting better health or more money make you feel good?
The really important part of prayer is what YOU hear?
What is it you hear?

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