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Tangle

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Message 291 of 354 (690091)
02-08-2013 7:32 PM

Reply to: Message 289 by Phat
02-08-2013 4:35 PM

Re: The "omnipotence and omniscience are mutually exclusive" argument is weak!

So your God set us all up to fail?

Or rather he set up one guy and one girl to fail, and when they failed (which he could foresee, because he is, in fact, omniscient), he sentenced the rest of humanity - in their untold billions - to death and the possibility/probability of everlasting damnation.

have I got that right?

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Message 332 of 354 (822295)
10-22-2017 10:22 AM

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10-22-2017 9:54 AM

Re: The "omnipotence and omniscience are mutually exclusive" argument is weak!

Phat writes:

Logic says that we choose our beliefs and also our actions.

Logic says nothing of the kind.

Neither you nor, nor I nor Amin, nor Elizah, nor Chang chose their beliefs - we were all born into them. And our actions are conditioned by our predispositions, upbringing and circumstances. You always start from the wrong premise.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 350 of 354 (823291)
11-08-2017 6:15 PM

Reply to: Message 347 by Phat
11-08-2017 3:49 PM

Re: Does God care about our motives?

Smile, god loves you :-)

You don't get silly random rewards, you just get more life. The sooner you can stop looking for superstitiously granted rewards in this life and the next the sooner you're going to get some joy - and 'luck' - in your life.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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