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Author Topic:   Finally, some real news about the Mueller indictments
Faith 
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Message 45 of 122 (822736)
10-31-2017 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Percy
10-31-2017 8:17 PM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell
Yes, for the second or third tine, I know an opinion piece is not news. The Flaherty piece however introduces information that is not familiar to leftists, and that makes it a source of news. And news and opinion are so blurred on the left anyway it hardly matters. News these days is really just opinion.
All the stuff about what Trump said about Papadopoulos is, yes, just "straight reporting," but of facts that are irrelevant in the context of the overarching claim that Trump colluded with Russia, facts that could be considered to be getting so much play merely to distract from the more important issues. You can cover up big truths with lots of little irrelevant truths. It's a form of fake news, a form of propaganda, a form of lying, a way to manipulate opinion with trivial facts that create a false impression while burying the important truth out of sight.
Trump "downplaying" this or that no doubt just means that he doesn't think it's important or thinks it's misrepresented, and what if he's right? His response to the Mueller investigation of pointing it back to the Democrats is just saying that's where the truth lies, as Flaherty's piece also says. I've been hearing since they started accusing Trump of colluding with Russia, how it was Hillary who really did collude with Russia, prinicipally about this uranium deal, this is not something Trump is making up for the purpose of deflecting the Mueller investigation, it's the substance of the important questions here, and the Mueller investigation is in reality the distraction, an attempt to cover Hillary's tracks in the Uranium One deal. Flaherty is saying what I've been hearing for a year already, about how the Democrats are framing Trump to distract from Hillary and of course undermine his Presidency in the process.
I'll have to try to catch up on the issues I haven't been following to give you a better answer.
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Faith 
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Message 47 of 122 (822739)
10-31-2017 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by NoNukes
10-31-2017 9:17 PM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell
Pass up no opportunity, no matter how trivial or how far you have to stretch it or how unlikely, to call your opponent a liar. Never ever consider other possible interpretations. Especially when said opponent is obviously making excellent points you desperately need to keep from being taken seriously..-- unwritten leftist code.
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Message 58 of 122 (822761)
11-01-2017 11:35 AM
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11-01-2017 11:30 AM


Re: NYC Truck Attack Plus Trumps Tweet
President Trump took to Twitter to call the attacker "a very sick and deranged person", adding: "We must not allow ISIS [Islamic State] to return, or enter, our country after defeating them in the Middle East and elsewhere. Enough!"
The fact is, this man was sick.
The reason for such jihadi attacks is Islam, Phat, even if only a few act on it. The person doesn't need to have mental problems, he or she just needs to be convinced that Allah will reward him or her for killing infidels. Western psychobabble can't explain this stuff and we're dangerously deluded to think it can. For Trump or anyone to try to explain it as a mental illness totally misses the point.
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Faith 
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Message 59 of 122 (822762)
11-01-2017 11:40 AM
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11-01-2017 11:00 AM


Re: The Flaherty Piece Examined Paragraph by Paragraph
The fact remains that the whole narrative about Trump's supposed collusion with Russia was invented to cover Hillary's tracks (and very likely also Mueller's).
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Faith 
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Message 60 of 122 (822763)
11-01-2017 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Taq
11-01-2017 11:06 AM


I did read it. {the OP quote} It is a bunch of either false or unverified allegations. Crying "Clinton" or "Fake News" every time something inconvenient comes out in public isn't going to work. All it does is make Trump look guilty when he tries these underhanded tactics.
You've bought the party line, that's all. The fact is that the whole Trump-Russia story was invented to cover Clinton, it's entirely fake news from beginning to end. The so-called "alt-right" has been saying this for a year at least. It may not "work," of course, as you say, since the truth is often a casualty where powerful people have the means to suppress it.
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Faith 
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Message 63 of 122 (822768)
11-01-2017 12:13 PM
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11-01-2017 12:10 PM


Re: The Flaherty Piece Examined Paragraph by Paragraph
It's been discussed to death for a year now with all the evidence you could ask for, by hundreds of voices of the suppressed "alt-right" media. Flaherty is merely affirming what they all have been saying all that time.
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Message 68 of 122 (822776)
11-01-2017 12:54 PM
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11-01-2017 12:36 PM


Re: The Flaherty Piece Examined Paragraph by Paragraph
duplicate
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Faith 
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Message 69 of 122 (822777)
11-01-2017 12:54 PM
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11-01-2017 12:36 PM


Re: The Flaherty Piece Examined Paragraph by Paragraph
Ya don't say. Golly I guess I'm really stupid then aren't I?
The point is that we're not just talking about one man's opinion, it helps to read in the context of what is being answered. However, as I said, the evidence has been covered over the last year, starting with the fact that there is absolutely NO evidence of any collusion between Trump and Russia, along with one phony disgusting "dossier" against Trump invented by Democrats, followed by the fact that there's plenty of evidence of Clinton's Russia collusion. You won't find out any of that if all you read is the leftist press.
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Faith 
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Message 70 of 122 (822779)
11-01-2017 12:57 PM
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11-01-2017 12:35 PM


I never said Mueller was ordered to investigate Clinton. It wouldn't be an effective coverup in that case.
Show me any evidence of Trump colluding with Russia. There has never been any.

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Message 71 of 122 (822780)
11-01-2017 12:58 PM
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11-01-2017 12:23 PM


Re: The Flaherty Piece Examined Paragraph by Paragraph
They really do know how to cover their tracks well and shovel their own wrongdoings onto Trump. Very well done.

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Message 72 of 122 (822781)
11-01-2017 12:59 PM
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11-01-2017 12:17 PM


Re: The Flaherty Piece Examined Paragraph by Paragraph
Oh opinions like Flaherty's which cover a lot of factual information do indeed count.

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Message 103 of 122 (822957)
11-03-2017 11:14 PM


Just more and more evidence of the Great Polarization in American politics. Half the country knows Trump did not collude with Russia but that Clinton did; the other half thinks the opposite. I pray that God will finally biing the undeniable truth to light.

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Faith 
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Message 106 of 122 (822974)
11-04-2017 12:13 PM
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11-04-2017 11:38 AM


Nope.

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Faith 
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Message 107 of 122 (822975)
11-04-2017 12:14 PM
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11-04-2017 4:06 AM


The lies are on the Left, just showing another bit of the usual polarization. If the investigator is a fraud as Flaherty says he is, it is not smearing him to say so.

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Faith 
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Message 118 of 122 (823163)
11-06-2017 4:02 PM
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11-06-2017 3:24 PM


I don't accept the claim about Clinton's innocence. But when I opened this thread I said I knew I wasn't up on all the information involved. I continue to believe that the true facts are as I stated there, and pray that God will bring out all the truth soon.
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