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Author Topic:   Finally, some real news about the Mueller indictments
NoNukes
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Message 13 of 122 (822677)
10-31-2017 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Percy
10-31-2017 9:36 AM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell
A better approach to opinion pieces from both sides is to examine how much of what they say is based upon established facts.
Unfortunately, there are no real straight factual sources. We have to accept that every source has its bias, with the primary bias being towards sensational reporting.
I think those who approach what they read with an attitude dependent upon the source and/or whose opinions are already locked and loaded are going to find only what confirms their views.
That is certainly true. This thread exists solely because someone found stuff they liked in what they considered an unlikely place and not because there was any objective reason to believe what they read.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 46 of 122 (822738)
10-31-2017 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Faith
10-31-2017 8:40 PM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell
The Flaherty piece however introduces information that is not familiar to leftists, and that makes it a source of news.
This is a flat out lie.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 49 of 122 (822743)
11-01-2017 1:07 AM


It is probably not right to make accusations of lying. But sometimes a poster's regard for the truth is so low, that some comment or notice must be made. I'll admit to lacking some tact, so I'll explain my position more fully.
"Real News" as defined by Trump and some other buffoons appears to be any news that does not paint the Trump administration in a positive light. I continue to see very little evidence that Faith defines "real" and "fake" in any other way. Accordingly, I find attempting a rational dispute with on any topic the very definition of a pointless endeavor. I won't do it.
Most people understand that the headlines on CNN or Infowars, or any other web page might contain more sensationalism than truth. My personal approach is to look a bit harder for facts than just absorbing what is thrown at me. I look at the news regarding the indictments of Trump's campaign participants and wonder about the meaning of those indictments. I wonder about and the chance that those who have not plead guilty really are not guilty or are guilty of things that are not particularly relevant.
What I don't do is rely on "my favorite lefty or conservative voices" to inform me of the truth. Accordingly, like most folks here I encounter what various people have to say about the importance or unimportance of those things.
I'll note that one can find varied opinions about the answers to those questions on CNN, MSN, and on Fox News. So the idea that everybody on the left exists in an echo chamber just because one poster does indeed keep their fingers in their ears rather than on the pulse of events is just the kind of lying projection about lefties we've been accustomed to in every Faith-started political thread.
Does the current large amount of negative commentary on the president demean and weaken the office? Of course, it does. But the alternative is to offer no correction or criticism for buffoonery. The ultimate answer to the excessive negative commentary is for the president and his administration to stop doing stupid stuff.
Beyond that, if you weren't complaining about the right's treatment of Obama, your credibility on this issue cannot be very high anyway.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

  
NoNukes
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Message 50 of 122 (822744)
11-01-2017 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by PaulK
11-01-2017 1:03 AM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell
and it is obvious that bringing it up IS an attempt to distract from the Mueller investigation. Anyone attempting to argue otherwise is engaging in obvious dishonesty
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..." Surely, you could hear echoes of this as you read Trump's deflecting tweet.
Along the same lines, L. Ron Hubbard once wrote:
quote:
NEVER agree to an investigation of Scientology. Only agree to an investigation of the attackers. . . . Start feeding lurid, blood, sex crime, actual evidence on the attack to the press. Don't ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 94 of 122 (822824)
11-01-2017 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by JonF
11-01-2017 8:59 AM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell
I see you've been accused of lying about this. I presume you believe it's true. It isn't.
I don't want to put too fine a spin on this. A statement can be a lie if the originator lied when he made it up. People who repeat lies, may or may not be lying. When careless people repeat crap without any attempt whatsoever to discern the truth, we might say they are reckless, or foolish, or liars, or just plain bad company. Why even discuss the color of orange juice with such a person?
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 97 of 122 (822832)
11-02-2017 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by RAZD
11-02-2017 9:46 AM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell? Look at the evidence.
One really needs to watch the clip to see how badly the Trump people would like fiction to be fact and fact to be fiction.
One might just read this thread and see that kind of desire hotly expressed. We are extremely lucky to have a resident poster who is unwilling or unable to hide their thought processes as they form or endorse one ridiculous opinion after another.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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