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Modulous
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Message 13 of 76 (822185)
10-20-2017 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by New Cat's Eye
10-20-2017 4:49 PM


And, yet, the top 10% still pay 70% of the federal income taxes?
Why yes, income inequality is quite significant.
So if we say 100 million people pay Federal taxes. The top 10% earn on average $300,000 and they pay $120,000 in taxes (simplified 40%). Thats a total of $1,200,000,000,000
The bottom 90% ear $30,000 and pay 15% tax for a tax of $4,500 to a total of 405,000,000,000
Total taxes = $1,605,000,000,000
Top 10% = 75% of taxes
If we continue the simplification and have the top tax be 70% then each tax of those rich would be $210,000 resulting in $2,100,000,000,000 keeping the tax of the rest the same
$2,505,000,000,000 total tax, and the top 10% would be paying 84% of the taxes
If the budget were to remain the same - the bottom 90% would actually not need to pay any tax at all. Again, this assumes a tax structure that is not realistic - since it would be crazy for someone who earned $250,000 to suddenly lose money if they got a $50,000 pay rise...but still.
How could these taxes have been shifted from the rich to the poor/middle if the rich are still paying most of the taxes?
Because that's how numbers work.
I have 71 apples. You have 1 apple.
Someone comes and takes one of my apples and gives it to you.
I have 70 apples. You have 2 apples.
There has been a shift of apples from me to you. I still have the most apples.
If the simplified example above was reversed - a 70% tax to 40% tax for the richest and a 0% tax to 15% tax rise for the rest -- one might say there had been a massive shift of taxes from the rich to the middle class and poor.

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Modulous
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Message 63 of 76 (822823)
11-01-2017 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Taq
11-01-2017 5:58 PM


Re: Combo reply (to RAZD and Coyote)
Regardless, if you have a single payer system then you are going to attract people who are too sick to work and kids with chronic conditions. People are going to be faced with tens of thousands in medical bills in Iowa or moving to California and paying a tiny, tiny percentage of what they are currently paying. It's a no brainer. You could even have situations where the mother moves with a sick child to California while the father stays in Iowa and keeps working.
I've seen amusing figures for Health Tourism in the UK that suggest the NHS spends more money on Stationery than it does on Health Tourists. Perhaps California might take a look at how other places deal with this phenomena?
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Modulous
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Message 68 of 76 (822870)
11-02-2017 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Taq
11-02-2017 11:42 AM


Re: Combo reply (to RAZD and Coyote)
The situation in the UK is a bit different since they are surrounded by countries who have single payer systems like they do.
Well sure - but the numbers I've seen suggest more UK citizens go to the US to pay for private operations (both cosmetic and healthcare since they avoid waiting) than US citizens come to the UK.
It is also much more difficult for non-citizens to gain residency in the UK than it would be for someone to move from one US state to another.
If there is a potential flood that might have an impact on the economics out there - higher demand of course, will drive house prices and rent up - there remains finite places to take up residency.

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