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Author Topic:   Omniscience, Omnipotence, the Fall & Logical Contradictions.
Phat
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Message 342 of 354 (823060)
11-05-2017 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 341 by ringo
10-23-2017 11:39 AM


Does God care about our motives?
jar writes:
Whether it makes you feel good or whether you are really wondering if you are going to be able to get back up doesn't enter into what the kid experiences.
In other words, what you are emphasizing is "Whats in it for THEM"?
ringo writes:
What does the homeless guy care about your motivation? His life or death don't depend on your motivation. If feeding him is not "enough", what is?
I can't feed all of them. You both have convicted me somewhat, however. I tend to be selfish. Perhaps if I did unto others the way that I EXPECT God to DO unto ME, I would find the answer.
Sometimes at our store, we ask for donations for Turkey Bucks...a charity to feed the homeless during the holidays. Some people, when asked, claim that it is THEY who are needy and that somebody should help THEM.
Of course, when big business asks for donations, what happens is that they donate the total sum, match it 50%, and get a 30+% tax write-off on it all.
So in conclusion, I believe that God watches our intentions and motivations and expects us to be less selfish. Hopefully, I will someday receive the message and apply it.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 344 of 354 (823161)
11-06-2017 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 343 by ringo
11-06-2017 11:34 AM


Re: Does God care about our motives?
ringo writes:
Forget God. Just do what the bumper sticker says, "Do unto others as you would expect THEM to do unto you."
Im not sure what I expect anymore. Compulsive gamblers are noted for their sense of entitlement, and I have felt this before...but I never ask anyone for help except God (or my family) Were I homeless, I would expect the government to help me somehow...which is everyone, I suppose. But I never would expect handouts from any strangers.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 347 of 354 (823282)
11-08-2017 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by ringo
11-08-2017 2:09 PM


Re: Does God care about our motives?
Recovery is emotionally discouraging. I went to Jiffy Lube to have my oil changed. The price was too steep, to begin with, but I was pressured into buying all sorts of extra services and fancier oils, all of which I turned down. 3 days later, my car suddenly starts acting up. Today, I took it to a mechanic whom I trust. I paid ten times as much to get it fixed right. I suspect that those cons at the Jiffy Lube sabotaged my car somehow, but have no way of proving anything. I have new medications and have been sober from my binging and irrational and selfish behavior for 3 days. After one year of sobriety, I expected some sort of reward and received nothing. Then, I relapsed, expecting a quick reward which failed to materialize. Long story short, I was nearly broke and then my car acted up after trusting strangers to fix it cheaply. Today as I pay the mechanics whom I know $623.38, I at least trust that the money is well spent. How can I trust handing money out to people whom I never know their motives, intentions, or character?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 349 of 354 (823287)
11-08-2017 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 348 by ringo
11-08-2017 3:58 PM


Re: Does God care about our motives?
yeah but im losing money. Im not rich either, ya know.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 353 of 354 (823916)
11-19-2017 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 351 by ringo
11-09-2017 10:46 AM


Re: Does God care about our motives?
I could go on and on.
Why do you insist on ignoring the message?
Because in this case, the postman is bringing me a bill, rather than a cheque.
And he only believes in duty, rather than in blessing.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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