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Message 5060 of 5179 (821257)
10-04-2017 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 5057 by NoNukes
10-04-2017 11:04 AM


Re: Las Vegas
NoNukes writes:

I don't like the idea of silencers being used for hunting.


I don't like the idea of guns being used for hunting. I have no problem with killing animals but make it a fair fight.

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Message 5062 of 5179 (821260)
10-04-2017 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 5061 by Modulous
10-04-2017 3:39 PM


Re: silencers
Modulous writes:

Ah yes, I forgot we were living in a movie or computer game


In the real world, why do you think silencers are banned? Do you think our legislators are out to ruin the hearing of hunters?

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Message 5065 of 5179 (821264)
10-04-2017 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 5063 by DrJones*
10-04-2017 4:01 PM


Re: silencers
DrJones* writes:

if American gun laws are anything like Canadian gun laws, then they probably weren't written by people who know all that much about firearms.


We don't get the murderers to write our laws on murder either.

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Message 5067 of 5179 (821268)
10-04-2017 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 5066 by DrJones*
10-04-2017 4:39 PM


Re: silencers
DrJones* writes:

My point was that the ones writing the laws might not be all the educated on the subject of the law. Like if I, a non-doctor, was involved in a bill that that banned certain medical practices.


Like I said, our bills that ban certain medical practices are written by people who are mostly all non-doctors. It might be nice if they consulted with doctors but it isn't mandatory. They don't consult with murderers about banning murder procedures.

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Message 5069 of 5179 (821272)
10-04-2017 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 5068 by DrJones*
10-04-2017 4:48 PM


Re: silencers
DrJones writes:

My position is the legislators may not be aware that there are non-stealthy-hollywood-murderer reasons for owning a suppressor.


It doesn't matter if silencers have good effects. We ban things because of the bad effects.

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Message 5084 of 5179 (821312)
10-05-2017 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 5073 by NoNukes
10-05-2017 12:58 AM


Re: silencers
NoNukes writes:

Everything has bad effects. There must be at least some kind of weighing.


Who said otherwise?

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Message 5097 of 5179 (821377)
10-06-2017 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 5089 by NoNukes
10-05-2017 1:35 PM


Re: silencers
NoNukes writes:

The same principle does not require that we consult murderers on how to punish them. We could instead consult psychologists or the police.


That's a distinction without a difference. We do "consult" the murderers indirectly via the psychologists and the police. Gun owners should be "consulted" the same way, via psychologists and the police.

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Message 5098 of 5179 (821378)
10-06-2017 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 5092 by Modulous
10-05-2017 4:09 PM


Re: silencers
Modulous writes:

They are only banned in 8 States of the USA.


The pertinent question is: Do firearms users in the other states routinely use them for hearing protection?

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Message 5101 of 5179 (821432)
10-07-2017 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 5100 by Modulous
10-06-2017 5:55 PM


Re: silencers
Modulous writes:

Yes. They are used to avoid damaging the ears, to avoid noise pollution complaints when hunting or recreational shooting and to reduce recoil as primary purposes.


Evidence?

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Message 5108 of 5179 (821665)
10-10-2017 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 5102 by Modulous
10-08-2017 3:19 PM


Re: silencers
Modulous writes:

There are about a million of them in circulation....


So, a fraction of one per cent.

The next question would be: In the states where silencers are illegal, why?


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Message 5111 of 5179 (821726)
10-11-2017 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 5109 by Modulous
10-10-2017 1:46 PM


Re: silencers
Modulous writes:

If correct, 'local politics' seems about right. It seems reasonable to suppose it is correct.


Because of the small number of silencers in actual use, it seems likely that banning and legalizing are both based on local politics.

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Message 5128 of 5179 (823436)
11-10-2017 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 5124 by NoNukes
11-09-2017 12:59 PM


Re: Texas This Time
NoNukes writes:

Must gun owners are in favor of common sense control measures....


Sounds like an oxymoron to me. The most obvious common-sense measure is don't have guns.

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Message 5131 of 5179 (823578)
11-13-2017 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 5129 by NoNukes
11-10-2017 2:17 PM


Re: Texas This Time
NoNukes writes:

Then consider "common sense measures" to be US "code words" for doing background checks on all gun sales, not giving guns to folks who have mental illnesses that dispose them towards violence or who have already committed acts of domestic abuse.


In Canada we don't consider depriving the mentally ill of their constitutional rights to be "common sense".

And in US code, "common sense measures" seems to mean arming the congregation as they come in the door.


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Message 5135 of 5179 (823620)
11-14-2017 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 5133 by NoNukes
11-14-2017 12:11 PM


Re: Texas This Time
NoNukes writes:

Are you interpreting the US constitution as preventing the state from restricting access to guns by folks who are demonstrated to be violent under a process with the appropriate due process?


I'm pointing out that that's how the US Constitution seems to be interpreted by the NRA and the Supreme Court.

NoNukes writes:

... you express the idea that Canada is a virtuous example of constitutional purity.


On the contrary, I'm only putting Canada one or two steps above the US.

NoNukes writes:

One might think that you don't actually have an opinion of your own and simply like to argue.


Any dope can have an opinion. It takes a little reflection and understanding to juggle two.

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Message 5146 of 5179 (823682)
11-15-2017 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 5136 by NoNukes
11-14-2017 12:47 PM


Re: Texas This Time
NoNukes writes:

Why don't you cite a relevant Supreme Court decision?


Try any Supreme Court decision that interprets "a well regulated milita" as "every hillbilly with a trigger-finger".

NoNukes writes:

I am suggesting that you don't have either an opinion or an understanding.


If you're suggesting that I don't have a doctrinaire pick-a-side-and-stick-to-it opinion, you're right.

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