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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
... that I'm stupid and ignorant?
You have yet to say a right thing about phylogenetics, so what does that tell you?
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dredge writes: Taq writes:
... that I'm stupid and ignorant? You have yet to say a right thing about phylogenetics, so what does that tell you?
No, it says that you are willfully ignorant; ignorant by choice at best but most likely simply dishonest.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
The rationale for arranging them in that order is to make it look like the general theory of evolution is true - as is the wont of atheist "scientists".
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
The rationale for arranging them that way is to make the atheist arranger feel better about his quasi-religious belief in evolution. Never underestimate the power of self-delusion.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Dredge writes: They have to arrive at a nested hierarchies otherwise evolution falls to pieces Hey, I think you've finally got it. Now you know how to disprove evolution, why don't you do it? It should be easy, just pick a family or a genera and show that there is no nested hierarchy. This is objective, repeatable stuff - all the specimens are there in the museums and text books, just do it, get that Nobel Prize. It's amazing it hasn't been done already isn't it? After all, there's a whole Creationist Instutute just desperate to find loopholes.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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You're still not getting it.
You claimed it's easy to produce alternative nested hierarchies of life. Show us several examples YOU HAVE CREATED. And explain WHY YOU CREATED THOSE EXAMPLES AS YOU DID. Your fevered hallucinations about why WE do what we do are irrelevant. Of course you will never do it. You can't. Nobody can.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
I can't produce any nested hiearchies at all coz there are too many gaps that can't be accounted for.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Hey, looking for excuses? You seem to be just a puff of hot air claiming things.
You are welcome to try and get a tetrapod with wings growing out of their bodies...The opposite of the ToE...
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dredge writes: No, just that you are wilfully ignorant of facts. Brain washed.
... that I'm stupid and ignorant?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Dredge writes: I can't produce any nested hiearchies at all coz there are too many gaps that can't be accounted for. Oh come on, it wouldn't be hard. Find me a tripodal mammal, or an insect - or any beast at all - with wheels. Too hard?Find me a cold blooded animal with mammary glands or a fish with fur. A bird with teeth? How about a shark with bones? A whale with gills? It should be really, really easy. How about an ant with four legs? If you can't come up dozens of these things there's only one conclusion isn't there? On the other hand here's how science has organised 2 million organisms into nested hierarchies, maybe you can show them where they're wrong. opentreeJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
So when you wrote:
quote: you were either lying or you have no imagination?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
You have barked up the wrong tree twice in this one post. Your first Gould quote has nothing to do with my Gould quote. Your second Gould quote refers to Yung Erfers - I is not a Yung Erfer, but an Old Erfer. (Yung Erfers hate my beliefs in an old earth and a previous creation and some or them might even want to kill me to death ... or at least torture me for several days.)
In short, your attempt to out-Gould-quote me, while admirable, has failed.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
The Nebraska Man tooth was "severely weathered". In keeping with the highest standards of science, Nebraska Man was invented on the basis of one old weathered tooth.
... which reminds me ... Did you know that in 1872, an attempt was made to elect Charles Darwin to the Zoological section of the French Institute, but he was rejected - on account of the theories proposed in his books being seen as "not science, but a mass of assertions and absolutely gratuitous hypotheses, often evidently fallacious."
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
quote: Er, yeah; that's ... deep. When you say, "wings are modified forelimbs", is that anything like how the wings on flying pigs are modified ribs? What I mean is, wings are not "modified forelimbs" anymore than Tooth fairies are modified butterflies. And do you realise that in order for a lizard to fly, it needs much going on than just the acquisition of wings? Have you ever considered the possibility that your forelimbs-to-wings theory is just a silly and childish story that has no basis in fact? Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Dredge writes: The Nebraska Man tooth was "severely weathered". In keeping with the highest standards of science, Nebraska Man was invented on the basis of one old weathered tooth. And your point is what? That a find made it into the press almost 100 years ago, was regarded as inconclusive by science at the time, then formally rejected by science 5 years later. Are you saying that you're impressed by the ability of science to research its findings thoroughly before accepting them as knowledge or what?
... which reminds me ... Did you know that in 1872, an attempt was made to elect Charles Darwin to the Zoological section of the French Institute, but he was rejected - on account of the theories proposed in his books being seen as "not science, but a mass of assertions and absolutely gratuitous hypotheses, often evidently fallacious." So 150 years ago Charles Darwin didn't get into a french institute. Wow, that must mean that everything written about evolution in the next 150 years must be wrong. I was so worried about this that I spent 3 minutes googling what Darwin was a member of and what awards he won when he was alive. Apparently Italy and Germany liked him he was granted membership of the Turin Academy and the Berlin Academy, and, of course several London Academies. Then there were his gongs
quote: I'm sure there's more but really...do you think that the French Institute still rejects the theory of evolution or do you think they might now think that they made one of the biggest mistakes in their history? I've a hunch that they now accept the ToE don't you? Red faces all round, that's politics for you, if you deny the truth sooner or later it will slap you in the face. Do you understand that even if Darwin's work had received no plaudits at all, it would still stand? Do you understand that after 150 years, his work still stands when developments in genetics and cell biology could quite easily have proven him wrong? Do you understand that this isn't religion? We don't worship infallible scientists and claim inerrant writings just because they're old. Science grows and modifies and if it's found to be in error it corrects. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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