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LamarkNewAge
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Message 88 of 111 (824564)
11-30-2017 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by jar
11-30-2017 11:31 AM


The Chicago Statement Revisited and Biblical documents.
quote:
They first decided what must be true and then wrote an apologetic to prove that what THEY wanted was TRUE.
I know that the Roman Catholic church has a 1911 rule of belief (that the faithful must follow) on the ORIGINAL Gospel of Matthew:
It must be in Hebrew or Aramaic.
It must contain substantially the same text as the later Greek Matthew.
It cannot simply be seen as a Sayings gospel (like Thomas and Q).
It is not required to have be written AFTER Peter came to Rome (after 60 A.D.) like Irenaeus & others said.
(understand that the Greek translation can be seen as later than Mark)
(I can find references)
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Message 89 of 111 (824565)
11-30-2017 12:12 PM


Jar said this on another thread.
here was my words first.
quote:
(LNA writes)
Rome believes the (GOVERNMENT IMPOSED) church was infallible when it determined which books belong in the New Testament. Protestants believe the (GOVERNMENT) church acted rightly and accurately in this process, but not infallibly.
Jar then said
quote:
And that is as dishonest as your quote mining. Sorry but just like the fundies you are just making shit up.
Yes, more education is needed but what you are doing is the same propagandizing as those you criticize.
You are also missing what is significant in the basics of the beliefs of some Chapters of Club Christian so go back and read it again in context and think about it as well as the actual basis for Biblical inerrancy.
The most recent formulation was the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy and RC Sproul was a major organizer and signatory to that document so it is relevant to this discussion.
The Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy stands in direct opposition to Lockes position; but remember that it is still limited and does not reflect Christianity but just some Chapters of Christianity. It is the latest affirmation of a Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty.
I was thinking of the Council of Carthage.
Here are protestant apologists.
Found this on Bing
keywords: council carthage authoritative early church
quote:
The Roman church says they proclaimed which books were actually inspired and placed them in one volume, so we should all be indebted to the Catholic Church for the New Testament. Actually the Catholic Church in 397 the Council of Carthage had the 27 books considered the canon. However these books were read and distributed as Scripture for over 300 years by individual Christians and church’s long before their church councils claimed to give us the Bible. The Synod of Antioch in 266 AD. had rejected Paul of Samosata’s teaching (a modalist) as foreign to the ecclesiastical canon. Athanasius, who fought to preserve the Trinity in the council of Nicea in 325 Ad. when the Church was being challenged had all 27 books of the New Testament. When Athanasius argued in his debate against Arius he used much of the New Testament and quoted from almost every book. He said they were the springs of salvation do not add nor take away.
Almost 40 years later the council of Laodicea in 363 A.D. decreed that only canonized books of the old and new Testament were to be read in the Church’s. None of the councils made any list of what is in or out, the reason being that the majority of the church had accepted and used these books for many years before them. Are we to accept the premise that 300 years passed with confusion and we waited for the church to decide in 397 A.D. what was to be our Scripture? Generations would have come and gone not having the whole Bible. The truth is that we can produce almost the entire Bible we have today from the early church writings in the mid 100’s to 200’s.
In 397 Ad. the council of Carthage put their approval on the canon that was already read by and throughout the church. It then became a fixed canon for the western church as it was for the eastern.
Who Gave Us the Scriptures
Found this on
Google
keywords: cannon council carthage roman government Jerome
quote:
The Council of Nicea did not take up the issue of the canon of Scripture. In fact, only regional councils touched on this issue (Hippo in 393, Carthage in 397) until much later. The New Testament canon developed in the consciousness of the church over time, just as the Old Testament canon did. See Don Kistler, ed., Sola Scriptura: The Protestant Position on the Bible (Morgan, PA: Soli Deo Gloria Publications, 1995).2See Joseph P. Gudel, Robert M. Bowman, Jr., and Dan R. Schlesinger, Reincarnation Did the Church Suppress It? Christian Research Journal, Summer 1987, 8-12.3Gordon Rupp, Luther’s Progress to the Diet of Worms (New York: Harper and Row Publishers, 1964), 66
http://www.equip.org/article/what-really-happened-at-nicea/
The government did decide these councils near 400 AD.
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