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jar
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Message 455 of 591 (813041)
06-22-2017 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 452 by Phat
06-22-2017 10:58 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Tangle claims that God(the one I market, I assume) discriminates and is arbitrary.
Does your God care more about you than about pond scum?
Phat writes:
Again, Pharaoh. But the story could apply to Whosoever has ears to hear, in the context of how they receive the message and its content.
Only to the extent of hearing a message but then doing the work needed to accomplish the task. Hearing the warning did not fill any warehouses and store rooms; only doing the work filled them.

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jar
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Message 457 of 591 (813046)
06-22-2017 11:40 AM
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06-22-2017 11:18 AM


Trying a next step
Phat writes:
Darn it...you have just shown me that your whole idea of GOD being unknowable actually makes sense! ahhhhhhh!
Let's try a next step.
Suppose we stop worrying about what we can't know and move on to what we can know.
If we believe we are charged to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, protect the weak, heal the sick, house the homeless, what can we do to work towards those goals? Those are big things. None of us alone can put aside enough to feed everyone during the seven lean years. We can't fill the store rooms.
But if we work as an individual and also as a communion, as a congregation, as the laity, there are things we can do.
We can oppose political parties that do not make the Charge paramount.
We can oppose a military budget and support a foreign aid budget; forge plows from swords.
We can support "Free Rice" or "The World Community Grid" or "Boys & Girls Clubs".
We can put shopping carts away.
We can kneel down so we talk to kids at their eye level.
We can get stuff off the high shelf for folk and hold a door open.
We can support Planned Parenthood and Salvation Army and Red Cross and give blood and speak out against injustice.
We can listen to the local Imam and try to see through his eyes.
We can (well some of us can, they said my hair was too skinny) donate hair to make wigs for those undergoing chemotherapy. Those of us who cannot can knit animal caps for kids with big floppy ears or stripes like a tiger.
The point is there are a whole bunch of places where we can place our effort where our small contribution adds up to a large benefit.

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Message 463 of 591 (813053)
06-22-2017 11:52 AM
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06-22-2017 11:48 AM


Re: God Unplugged
The Goats are all followers of Jesus.

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Message 467 of 591 (813223)
06-24-2017 12:42 PM
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06-24-2017 10:53 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Also stay as far from religion as you can. They breed goats.
It is not religions that breed Goats but rather the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

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jar
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Message 477 of 591 (821824)
10-13-2017 7:17 AM
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10-13-2017 2:18 AM


Re: Christianity 101
Phat writes:
Who wrote Jude?
Likely the same person or someone from the same chapter of Club Christian as the author of Jude that wrote 2Peter but we will never know the actual author.
BUT, like 2Peter it is apocalyptic literature and points to one of the first crisis that shook the new creation Christianity, the failure of Jesus to return during the lifetime of the first generation of converts.
Those three books, James, Jude and 2Peter are very interesting. For example, James makes no references to the death or resurrection of Jesus or even hints of Jesus as the Son of God and uses the title Lord more as a leader or ruler than as a divine being.
All three have a common theme though of patience under adversity and continued faith. They stress behavior and finally in 2Peter offer the apologetic that Jesus changed his mind and did not end the world to give more people time to join the club.
Remember, early Christianity was not a "The End is Near" religion but a "The End is Here" based religion. Like so many cults today the basis was that it's over, the fat lady done sung and here comes the trumpets.
But that never happened. The END did not come. Jesus did not return and so Christianity had to evolve, to change the story, to create some new revised Christianity.
Another interesting part often overlooked is that the author of Jude quotes passages from the Book of Enoch that is only seen as canonical by the Eritrean and Ethiopian churches.

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Message 483 of 591 (824008)
11-21-2017 7:53 AM
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11-21-2017 7:29 AM


Re: Heaven & Hell
Go back to the quote you included from the end of the article.
quote:
the reason the Church soon will be teetering on the verge of extinction and irrelevance, will be because those entrusted to perpetuate the love of Jesus in the world, lost the plot so horribly, and gave the world no other option but to look elsewhere for goodness and purpose and truth.
Soon these Christians will ask why humanity has rejected Jesus and we will remind them of these days, and assure them that they have not rejected Jesus at allthey just found no evidence of him in the Church.
What does that mean? What would be evidence of Jesus?

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jar
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Message 492 of 591 (824063)
11-22-2017 6:56 AM
Reply to: Message 491 by Phat
11-22-2017 3:08 AM


Re: Jesus as Mythos
You need to go beyond just Matt 7:20.
The people Jesus is talking to respond pointing out that they have cast out demons in Jesus name and prophesied in Jesus name and done wondrous works in Jesus name.
That sure sounds like the typical Evangelical Bible Christian carny midway. Miracles on miracles, healing and casting out demons and prophesy and show. Praise in His name.
An Jesus' response to them is found in Matt 23.
Once again, it is Jesus' followers that Jesus' is discussing; not heathens, not atheists, not Muslims, not Buddhists but Followers of Christ.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin or is spelt with an f not an r
Edited by jar, : more appalin spelling it is of that is spelt with an f

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Message 502 of 591 (824435)
11-28-2017 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 501 by Phat
11-28-2017 1:04 PM


evidence and plausibility
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
I'm just saying there isn't enough evidence to make the case for God, etc. plausible. Bigfoot is more plausible than God but I don't believe he exists. Even leprechauns are more plausible than God.
I'd love to hear your rationale for this one!
Phat, is there evidence of finding new species of animals?
Phat is there evidence of finding new species of primates?
Phat, is there evidence of the existence of little people?
Phat is there evidence of the existence of anything supernatural?
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

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Message 510 of 591 (824550)
11-30-2017 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 509 by ringo
11-30-2017 10:55 AM


Re: Food For Thought
ringo writes:
There's always a chance that you'll win the lottery - but is it a good investment?
There is evidence though that people actually do win lotteries so while it is a stupid investment the probability of someone winning approaches 100% while there is no evidence of anything supernatural.

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jar
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Message 517 of 591 (824776)
12-03-2017 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 515 by Phat
12-03-2017 11:52 AM


Wrong Phat
Phat writes:
Believers tend to be made up of people who need and/or want and prefer to have a Father figure...a protector...a rich uncle....whereas non-believers couldn't wait to grow up and leave the nest. They are more adult thinking.
Sorry Phat, I am a believer. Yet you find my beliefs make you uncomfortable. It is not a matter of believer versus non-believer.
There are different beliefs though; for example some pray for God to help them; even Jesus prayed for God to keep him from being crucified. But he got no response or reprieve.
Read Matt 26:36-42.
quote:
36 Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.
37 And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.
38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

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jar
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Message 519 of 591 (824796)
12-03-2017 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 518 by Phat
12-03-2017 5:03 PM


Re: Wrong Phat
Amazing.

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 521 of 591 (824828)
12-04-2017 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 520 by Phat
12-04-2017 2:44 AM


Re: Wrong Phat
Phat writes:
well there is more to it than that, but i was in a hurry to get to work when I replied...what strikes me is that jesus never asks his father for anything special...He merely says if it be possible....but thats not how most people pray.
You are likely correct; it is probably NOT how most people pray. But it is one of the examples of how we should pray that is attributed directly to Jesus.
Are their other examples of how people should pray that are attributed to Jesus?

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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
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From: Texas!!
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Message 523 of 591 (824839)
12-04-2017 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 522 by Phat
12-04-2017 8:43 AM


Re: The Reality Of The Lords Prayers
I hate that NIV version. The "deliver us from the evil one" simply does not have the impact of deliver us from evil. The former is yet another example of what I call "Not My Fault" Christianity while the latter acknowledges that the evil is US, not some outside force.
Another reminder is the Dismissal found in the Book of Common Prayer; the final end to each service.
quote:
And now, Father, send us out
to do the work you have given us to do,
to love and serve you
as faithful witnesses of Christ our Lord.
To him, to you, and to the Holy Spirit,
be honor and glory, now and for ever. Amen.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 571 of 591 (829798)
03-14-2018 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 569 by Phat
03-14-2018 11:14 AM


Re: Food For Thought
Phat writes:
Does a man have the same need for his Mother as he does for a random matronly figure whom he happens to meet?
A child has no need for a mother at all, a child has need of food and protection and comfort and nurture. Kids adopted at birth do just fine even if their mom is not their biological mom.
Phat writes:
Way back when he was born, he well could have chosen the nurse as his bonding influence if he was aware of her before Mom held him.
Kids don't choose bonding, it is just another natural process.
Phat writes:
And yet Mom became Mom. Did he choose her? Could he have chosen anyone else?
The thing that provides food and warmth and comfort and soothing sounds becomes the object the child bonds with. Try taking away a childs teddy or blanky or binky.

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jar
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Message 573 of 591 (829802)
03-14-2018 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 572 by Phat
03-14-2018 2:13 PM


Re: Food For Thought
Phat writes:
I dont believe that all "gods" have the same capability of providing what is needed, but there is no way to prove it.
But does the Hindu believe that his gods have the capability of providing what is needed?
But does the Muslim believe that his god has the capability of providing what is needed?
But doest he Jew believe that his god has the capability of providing what is needed?
But does the Taoist believe that his gods have the capability of providing what is needed?
Doesn't each religion make similar claims of their god or gods?
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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