Brexit - Should they stay or should they go?

In as much as there's a plan, that's it.

That now seems unlikely. It's also unlikely that the immigration problem will be solved. The talk now is of downplaying freedom of movement because it's a redline for the EU if you want to trade with them without tariffs. Who would have guessed? Yeeees. Will have to get back to you on that one.

A lot will, but so far, it's much less than was expected. 10 years? Well who knows? It'll certainly make a lot of people very unhappy. Whether that matters or not depends whether we're also in the middle of a raging recession with high unemployment or doing ok actually. Otherwise it's riots.

There's no appetite in Scotland for another referendum, if they called one now they'd just lose again. Not only that, oil prices have plummeted since the referendum and it's now impossible for them to do it financially - it always was but now it's in their face obvious. She's blowing smoke.

That's not strictly true, it's more complicated and subtle than that. This is the best way I've seen it described:

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"Under the Human Rights Act, British courts are bound by the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg"

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On the contrary, our Human Rights Act is clear - British courts are not required to follow the judgments of the European Court of Human Rights blindly - they must only 'take account' of them. Domestic judges can - and often do - depart from Strasbourg case law, to take account of the United Kingdom's own laws and traditions. Where our Supreme Court and the European Court disagree, the latter has the opportunity to revisit its conclusions - aiding the dialogue between the UK and Strasbourg. Repealing our Human Rights Act would only make matters worse - Strasbourg judges would be denied the chance to consider a British interpretation of European Convention rights. It's worth remembering that, when our HRA was being passed, it was actually the Conservative Party who argued that British courts should be bound by Strasbourg - but their idea was rejected by Parliament.

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The thing is, the Human Rights Act is a UK law, we adopted the European Convention on Human Rights into our own legislation in 1998 but we've been using it since 1950. It was introduced just after the war - for obvious reasons.

Nope, not just the HRA, but it's the HRA where most of the disagreements occur.

Nope, her political oportunism is driving it.

She could quite fairly ask for evidence that the people support the idea of another referendum. There's no way she'll accept a referendum until after the Brexit deal - if then. The only case they have - if any - is that the Scots voted to stay in, and they can't know whether they want to stay until they've seen the final deal.And no one actually knows when the final deal is going to be signed. Rumour has it that the majority of the next 2 yeras will be spent trying to work out how the UK can be granted an extension.

Yup it's quite clever. She'll win with a big majority. She'll be able to control her party, cut the Scotts off at the pass, and strengthen her hand with Europe. No down side.

There's a very good chance that some otherwise SNP votes will go to the conservatives because the majority of Scots don't want to leave the Union and a million voted for Brexit. It's quite possible that they'll win a couple more seats and be able to say that there's a change away from the SNP.Sturgeon will also have to stop calling her unelected removing another whine. Yes, she's quite clever isn't she? It's a negotiation. If she's elected with a large majority, whatever deal she does, she - and the EU - know that it can be delivered. It denies the EU a negotiation tactic.I've never voted conservative in my life, but I think I'll have to this time around.

I don't believe so.But I think all of the alternatives are worse. I think we can trust this women to get a deal. After that god knows.

That and the rest. Our exit from the EU is a generational tragedy. Given the option, I would have voted for a EU federation. But that's not where we are now. Given that we're leaving, I want the best deal possible. Then we get stuffed. We've been dealt a shit hand, I think it wiser not to make it worse by revealing our cards. A little like falling on your sword, I feel.

It's quite likely that a couple of seats will change. That's all it takes for May to say that the SNP's position is not wholeheartedly supported by the Scottish electorate. I don't think we know anything about what her views are yet. I think she's being extremely clever about that. She's spending most of her time shoring up her negotiating position. But restricting freedom of movement is a given. There's really no point hoping that any negotiations will give that away - there'd be a public lynching. This will go back and forward for years but there's really nothing whatsoever to be gained by allowing your opponents to know that the guy/gal on the other side of the table is in a politically weak position. It doesn't matter what the otherside think of it.

God only knows what was on our minds. My own take on it is the the youth vote absented itself at the Brexit vote, noticed that they'd got something they didn't want and turned out in force at the election to attempt to reverse it or at least get something they approve of.

With a bit of luck, they'll say, 'bugger it, it's too hard' and call it off.