Modern Democratic Socialized Capitalism is not Evil

What is your route for going about it? And what's stopping you?

They're also profitable...

You really have no answers for these questions? What are you going on about, then?

Yeah, oligarchies exist because some people want to get ahead and also because they work well at doing that.

From Message 23: Also, there are perfectly normal people who go all amoral when making business decisions. It's like "It's just business!" is supposed to be some bullshit phrase where you don't have to act morally, or something.I dunno, it's weird. It's a lot easier to make amoral business decisions when you don't have morals to begin with. Oligarchies are also an effective way to run a business.From Message 24: I'll let you know if/when it gets raised. Where did I deny that? I think that was supposed to be me being in denial of my actual value. It's not that I deny it, its that I don't care about it. That's a lie. Sorry, I assumed you were better than this.

Sure, but it determines success. Don't you think oligarchies are more effective than co-ops, be it good or bad? Isn't that a part of why they've been more successful? But I'm not denying the value of co-ops. I'm just recognizing a particular value of oligarchies there. Your impression is irrational and untrue.Look, I get it. Co-ops are cool. I just don't see them working as well and I'm not sure how your goal is going to be accomplished.Here, what if I used a different approach:Dude, I'm so convinced. It is time for corporations to become democratically operated institutions. Here's my questions:What is your route for going about it? And what's stopping you? But I'm not dissonant It's also true.

In this context, it is the effectiveness of the running of the business and it is measured by how successful that business is - that is, how much business they are doing.Oligarchies do more business than co-ops and so they are more successful. The question is why. Your explanation is basically that people are evil. I'm saying that from a business perspective, oligarchies work better. How's that working out for you? I see a lot of oligarchies and not very many co-ops. The oligarchies seem to be winning. It is certainly not happening overnight. Is it happening at all?