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Larni Member (Idle past 112 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
That really sucks.
The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1663 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Not over quite yet -- it has to be approved by congress.
Several states are already moving to replace federal requirements with state ones, and several states are suing the FCC. In addition, there are cities that have set up their own internet service Chattanooga's super-fast, publicly-owned Internet Page not found | The Nation :
quote: Public non-profit co-op utilities -- another socialist solution to capitalist greed. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Public non-profit co-op utilities -- another socialist solution to capitalist greed. If we want to call local public efforts to provide internet access socialist, a point that I don't concede, then what should we call state government laws that to prevent voters from providing public assess for their communities. Surely those kind of laws are something other than free market capitalism. Who voted for this shite again? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
The New York Times has run an article describing how it thinks the repeal of net neutrality will affect the average Internet user: What’s Next After the Repeal of Net Neutrality
But though I posted it I don't think the article is worth reading because I think it is wrong. I can summarize it's basic message: basically, nothing will change in the near term, maybe in a year. Naturally the article is more detailed than that, but that's the basic message, and that is where they're right. Where they're wrong is that they sound no alarm about how drastic the changes will be later on. Because of promises ISP's have made and because of legal challenges, it will be roughly a year before the ISPs, citing things like costs and competitive pressures and a changing competitive environment and so forth, begin providing tiered services where the quality of your access to sites will depend upon how much you're willing to pay, plus there will be shenanigans and arguments. Remember how Dish refused to carry CBS for about a week last month? You can expect rubbish like that to begin on the Internet within about a year. --Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1663 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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But though I posted it I don't think the article is worth reading because I think it is wrong. I can summarize it's basic message: basically, nothing will change in the near term, maybe in a year. Well, I keep hitting the Do Nothing Button in the hopes that it will stall the Trump agenda, but it doesn't seem to have much effect. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
What happens when you hit the Do Nothing Button, and what browser are you using?
--Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1663 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
What happens when you hit the Do Nothing Button, ... Nothing on screen, but then Trump does something outrageous again. (you do realize I was making joke?)
... and what browser are you using? Firefox 57.0.2 (64 bit). by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1663 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If we want to call local public efforts to provide internet access socialist, a point that I don't concede ... Well I liken them to sewers and watermains, electrical utilities and the like: services provided by local government through taxation and/or fees, with no profit built in. The people agree through their elected officials to have these services provided. Internet should be no different. We also have police and fire protection provided with no profit built in (though that was tried), and roads and sidewalks. They are certainly more socialistic/cooperative services provided through democratic processes than they are capitalistic.
... then what should we call state government laws that to prevent voters from providing public assess for their communities. Surely those kind of laws are something other than free market capitalism. Not sure how to parse that. But laws that suppress democratic processes are totalitarian or fascist in my opinion. They certainly are not (democratic) socialism either.
Who voted for this shite again? The corrupt politicians that are bought by the oligarchs? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1663 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
It's all adding up to an attempt to control information by the Trump Fascist Administration.
See Trump thread ... we should be very concerned... ... because this is the way the world ends, not with a scream, but a whimper by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3971 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
The "Do Nothing Button" does have a bug and does malfunction (does something) for some browsers. Firefox is not effected by this bug.
Moose
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1663 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Interesting. I was just bemoaning that it isn't stopping Trumps march to Armageddon.
But this also got me thinking about a new button: Your Threads that could replace the DNB ... ... and that would take you to the list of threads you are active in (same as clicking on your name) Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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The corrupt politicians that are bought by the oligarchs? I was thinking of those folks who voted in those politicians. Although democrats seem to be no less corruptible than republicans, we've always known how the republicans felt about net neutrality, and we've known for a long time that we were one vote away from the loss of net neutrality. The current outcome was entirely predictable, and folks should have taken it into account at the last election. Even more serious is the silent overhaul of the justice system. In addition to not allowing Obama to pick a Supreme Court justice, the republicans held open countless federal judge openings for Trump that should have been filled by Obama. Those positions are being filled with ideologues who in at least a few cases are not even legally competent. Damage is being to our country on a daily basis and the loss of net neutrality is just one example of that. We get another attempt to put brakes on this stuff in 2018. And there are plenty of new faces out there freshly energized by after this year's inauguration and subsequent protests. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1663 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I was thinking of those folks who voted in those politicians. ... And were gullible enough to believe the campaign slogans rather than look at actual actions.
... The current outcome was entirely predictable, and folks should have taken it into account at the last election. Sadly I doubt many people think of the consequences of voting or not voting in regard to things like FCC and especially the Supreme Court.
Even more serious is the silent overhaul of the justice system. In addition to not allowing Obama to pick a Supreme Court justice, the republicans held open countless federal judge openings for Trump that should have been filled by Obama. Those positions are being filled with ideologues who in at least a few cases are not even legally competent Indeed, but there must be some means to remove someone who is incompetent, one would hope. Can justices be impeached? by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
RAZD writes: What happens when you hit the Do Nothing Button, ...
Nothing on screen, but then Trump does something outrageous again. (you do realize I was making joke?) Refresh your page, then try the Do Nothing Button again. Should work on Mozilla now. It was only supposed to be a joke originally, so I never checked it on anything but Chrome, but I kind of like it now. --Percy
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
Because of promises ISP's have made and because of legal challenges, it will be roughly a year before the ISPs, citing things like costs and competitive pressures and a changing competitive environment and so forth, begin providing tiered services where the quality of your access to sites will depend upon how much you're willing to pay, plus there will be shenanigans and arguments. I thought the issue was about restricting access based on what the owners of sites are willing to pay, rather than the end consumer. They can already restrict the quality of your access based on what you're willing to pay. Or so I assume - it's perfectly legal to offer a tiered service to consumers over here; where cheaper subscriptions are offered which have caps on speeds or on the amount of data that can be downloaded. Data limits seem to be going out of fashion except on mobile phones, but offering different maximum speeds for different costs is still standard market practice for ISPs here. Isn't that the case in the US?
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