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Faith 
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Message 121 of 868 (825703)
12-17-2017 12:43 PM
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12-17-2017 12:34 PM


Re: Evidence
I'm going with Sayers. Modern biblical scholarship is a fraud.

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jar
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Message 122 of 868 (825704)
12-17-2017 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Phat
12-17-2017 11:18 AM


Re: GOD God and god Remix
Phat writes:
Explain one more time the difference between GOD, God, and god.
GOD, if GOD exists simply is complete.
God is a little more specific yet still amorphous. You can talk about The Christian God or the Hebrew God or the Hindu Gods or the Islamic God but that doesn't tell us much at all since there is still no such unique specific thing.
Then we get to god where there can be specificity. There is the god from Genesis 1 and the god from Genesis 2 and Ganesha and Thor and Allah and the god Faith markets and the god Spruel marketed and the god MacArthur marketed and the god you like and Coyote and Turtle and ...
Phat writes:
Also, do you believe that God, as marketed by Christians, is an improvement on the earlier ideas?
Again, there is no God marketed by Christians but only gods.
And no, I do not think the god most Christians market is an improvement on anything.

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PaulK
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Message 123 of 868 (825708)
12-17-2017 1:06 PM
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12-17-2017 12:43 PM


Re: Evidence
quote:
I'm going with Sayers. Modern biblical scholarship is a fraud.
Apparently you include the Hebrew text of Esther as a modern fraud. That’s where the name Ahasuerus comes from.
And of course, if you read it, it is pretty obvious that it is a story.
But you can continue to exalt bad judgement if you wish. Just don’t get upset if people laugh when you try to use your good judgement as an argument.

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Faith 
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Message 124 of 868 (825718)
12-17-2017 1:30 PM
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12-17-2017 1:06 PM


Re: Evidence
It's been understood to be history until "modern scholarship" got its paws on it.

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Message 125 of 868 (825722)
12-17-2017 1:34 PM
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12-17-2017 1:30 PM


Re: Evidence
So naive assumptions turned out to be wrong. What a surprise. Guess we better hush that up with a campaign of lies and slander. It’s the Christianthing to do,.
Edited by PaulK, : Corrected auto-correction

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Faith 
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Message 126 of 868 (825742)
12-17-2017 2:29 PM
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12-17-2017 1:34 PM


Re: Evidence
No they did not turn out to be wrong, it's the modern scholarship that is wrong

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Message 127 of 868 (825748)
12-17-2017 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Faith
12-17-2017 2:29 PM


Re: Evidence
Because traditions - founded on assumption are infallibly right ? No matter where the evidence points ? Why ?

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Faith 
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Message 128 of 868 (825753)
12-17-2017 2:53 PM
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12-17-2017 2:40 PM


Re: Evidence
the modern scholars are predominantly unbelievers. They should not be allowed to say anything about the Bible. Theoretically they should be able to be objective but it turns out in reality they can't.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 129 of 868 (825754)
12-17-2017 2:54 PM
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12-17-2017 2:53 PM


Re: Evidence
Faith writes:
the modern scholars are predominantly unbelievers. They should not be allowed to say anything about the Bible.
On that principle, you shouldn't be allowed to say anything about evolution.

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PaulK
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Message 130 of 868 (825767)
12-17-2017 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
12-17-2017 2:53 PM


Re: Evidence
quote:
the modern scholars are predominantly unbelievers.
Do you have figures ? A lot of them aren’t
quote:
They should not be allowed to say anything about the Bible.
Because you can’t have people actually understanding the Bible.
quote:
Theoretically they should be able to be objective but it turns out in reality they can't.
Objectivity is the last thing you want.
As I said, I have had occasion to check what the scholars say - and they turned out to be right. Yet when I check what Christians say they are often wrong.
But of course that is why you would like the scholars silenced.

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jar
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Message 131 of 868 (825773)
12-17-2017 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by PaulK
12-17-2017 3:43 PM


The true threat from the folk like Faith is clear.
PaulK writes:
Faith writes:
They should not be allowed to say anything about the Bible.
Because you can’t have people actually understanding the Bible.
And there we see the true colors, the true evil of Faith and her Fellow Travelers; they oppose Free Speech, Reality, Honesty and the Constitution.
In the Name of the God she created all others who do not follow Faith's Law should be silenced.

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Faith 
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Message 132 of 868 (825774)
12-17-2017 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by jar
12-17-2017 4:10 PM


Re: The true threat from the folk like Faith is clear.
Gosh you really ran with that didn't you? By twisting my meaning of course. Because what I meant is that unbelieving scholars should not be given any AUTHORITY over the Bible.
And you know, just tit for tatting me doesn't change the fact that you hate God, Christ and Christians, and all your claim to BE a Christian is itself evil. If anybody needs some serious repentance, it's you.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 133 of 868 (825775)
12-17-2017 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Faith
12-17-2017 4:20 PM


Re: The true threat from the folk like Faith is clear.
It’s pretty hard to misread:
They should not be allowed to say anything about the Bible
quote:
Because what I meant is that unbelieving scholars should not be given any AUTHORITY over the Bible.
By which you mean that nobody should be allowed to disagree with your beliefs about the Bible.
But, for instance if you actually look at the Book of Daniel the end times prophecies do agree remarkably well with the period of the Maccabean revolt. Daniel 8 even tells us that the end times will occur while the Diadochi kingdoms still exist. It all fits and it all makes sense. Trying to chop it up and say that these bits are about the period leading up,to the Maccabean revolt and these bits are about Jesus and these bits are about our future doesn’t fit well and doesn’t make sense. The scholars are right.
You’re free to dislike or refuse to accept those facts - but they are facts.

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jar
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Message 134 of 868 (825776)
12-17-2017 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Faith
12-17-2017 4:20 PM


Re: The true threat from the folk like Faith is clear.
Faith writes:
Gosh you really ran with that didn't you? By twisting my meaning of course. Because what I meant is that unbelieving scholars should not be given any AUTHORITY over the Bible.
It seems you are fluent in Newspeak Faith.
But there is a bigger problem.
A scholar who believes that the Bible is as it appears, just the work of man filled with contradictions, factual errors, myth, fantasy and ambiguity is still a believer in the Bible.
And no one has a clue what you mean by "given any AUTHORITY over the Bible" so you have some 'splainin to do.
Maybe you mean no one who does not believe what YOU believe perhaps?
Faith writes:
And you know, just tit for tatting me doesn't change the fact that you hate God, Christ and Christians, and all your claim to BE a Christian is itself evil.
And it does not matter how many times you repeat your lies, the fact remains that I actually am a Christian and a member of a real recognized Protestant Christian denomination; that I do not hate God or Christ or Christians.
I will admit that the God you market is a pitiful picayune playground bully unworthy of worship. respect or even consideration and should simply be disciplined like any other pitiful kid trying to look fearsome.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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Faith 
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Message 135 of 868 (825777)
12-17-2017 5:05 PM
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12-17-2017 4:31 PM


Re: The true threat from the folk like Faith is clear.
The Bible is God's word, it's full of references to supernatural things the unbelieving "scholars" can't be honest about.

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