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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
If you have won the argument that all life on earth evolved from microbes, then you have won nothing - it is completely useless information.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 309 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Tastes differ.
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Granted, information is useless to microbes and creationists - but for the rest of us it's still nice to have.
If you have won the argument that all life on earth evolved from microbes, then you have won nothing - it is completely useless information.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Edge,
Sorry I had overlook this post and then got so busy with more important things that I did not get back to it until now.
Edge writes: Are you telling me that 'began to exist' is the same as 'intelligently created? Began to exist, means exactly what it says.Began to exist has nothing to say about how something began to exist. Began to exist is the opposite of did not exist. According to the BBT the universe existed at T=0 +a billionth of a second. The scientific answer for what existed at T=0 is, "We don't know". The reason we don't know is that the mathamatics break down and can tell us nothing about whether some thing, or no thing existed at T=0 Since the universe did exist at T=0+one billionth of a second some thing had to exist at T=0 to produce what existed at T=0+one billionth of a second. OR #1. The universe began to exist from the absence of anything. (no thing)#2. The universe began to exist from forces outside the universe. I have been told here on many occasions that there is no thing that exist outside of the universe as it is self contained.
Edge writes: Are you telling me that your little semantic games are an argument for YECism? Why would I argue for YECism when I am older universe than you or anyone else that post on this site.
Edge writes: Are you telling me that the beginning of life is definitive argument in the evolution/creationism discussion? I am telling you that if there is no life there is nothing to evolve or was created. Thus there would be no discussion as we would not exist. It does not matter how that life began to exist, but since it does that gives us something to discuss.
Edge writes: Of course not. Are you saying that make me a creationist in the sense that we discuss in this forum? OK so you don't believe the universe has existed eternally in the past. Since it has not always existed then you must believe it had a beginning to exist as it does exist today. The Hebrew word we translate as created means something that has not existed begins to exist. So regardless of what theory you believe concerning how the universe began to exist since you don't believe it has always existed you are a creationist. But no when you discuss creationist you only want to talk about YECism not creatonism God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 309 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Someone tell ICANT what "creationist" means.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
The conclusion/hypothesis that all life evolved from microbes is "nice to know" for atheists, but to science , it's "useless to know". So for all intents and purposes, it's a philosophical/psychological argument, not a scientific one.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
The evolutionists who says, "We have the fossils - we win" is the like the believer in aliens who says, "We have the crop circles - we win."
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2417 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
quote: I never said you have a shallow, fragile, egg-shell mind. Were you saying I did? (How many times can I ask this one?)
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Yes, dear. Now go tidy your bedroom.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2131 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
The conclusion/hypothesis that all life evolved from microbes is "nice to know" for atheists, but to science , it's "useless to know". So for all intents and purposes, it's a philosophical/psychological argument, not a scientific one. So, what you're saying is that scientific knowledge which explains things about the natural world is "useless" if it contradicts someone's religious beliefs?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 309 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The evolutionists who says, "We have the fossils - we win" is the like the believer in aliens who says, "We have the crop circles - we win." No.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4440 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
The conclusion/hypothesis that all life evolved from microbes is "nice to know" for atheists, but to science , it's "useless to know". Pretty funny. I bet you have convinced lots of scientists. You must be really pissed that now that you know all life evolved from microbes, you don't have any room left for any of that useful bible crap. I can see the headlines now......"Australian Man's Head Explodes When He Tries To Cram One More Useless Fact Into His Pointless Mind!" I know you never get tired of hearing it: Evolution, We Have The Fossils, We Win.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Dr.
Dr writes: Someone tell ICANT what "creationist" means. Better yet why don't you explain to ICANT how the universe began to exist if you do not believe it has existed eternally in the past. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 309 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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That doesn't look like a discussion of how we have the fossils and win.
If you want to be wrong about this stuff again, start a new thread or bump and old one.
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Astrophile Member (Idle past 153 days) Posts: 92 From: United Kingdom Joined:
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ICANT writes: OK so you don't believe the universe has existed eternally in the past. So far as I understand it, I think that the universe has existed for the whole of time, but not that it is infinitely old.
ICANT writes: Since it has not always existed then you must believe it had a beginning to exist as it does exist today. Since the Earth's surface is not infinite, it must have an edge, and missing people, such as Lord Lucan, have fallen over it.
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