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Author Topic:   The Tension of Faith
Faith 
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Message 1492 of 1540 (826358)
12-29-2017 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1491 by Percy
12-29-2017 10:02 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
Thank you for clarifying, though you did manage not to say whether you regard my views as traditional or not.
I'll just say it again: there is no hate for anybody in anything I've said. We're ALL fallen, we're ALL sinners, and Jesus came to save, not condemn.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 1494 of 1540 (826363)
12-29-2017 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1493 by Percy
12-29-2017 10:26 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
It is for some reason very appealing to you that people who don't repent will be punished.
Has absolutely nothing whatever to do with some personal appeal to me. Everything I'm saying here is a rsponse to the context of the discussion. The discussion was originally about a human law that violates God's law, and then became a discussion of your accusations of me, it is not a general presentation of evangelicalism. There is only one reason for my emphasis on what you call the "hate" passages, and that is to correct the erroneous view of Jesus as some kind of wimpy mushminded tolerator of sin and evil.
No, I'm not saying it isn't traditional evangelicalism, but your emphasis on these hate portions of evangelicalism is not how most evangelicals would characterize their religion.
But none of this is about my CHARACTERIZING MY RELIGION. I'm dealing with a specific context and that is all, the law legalizing gay marriage. That's it. Characterizing the religion in general would be a statement of how we're all sinners and Jesus came to pay for our sins. There'd be no need to mention the law about gay marriage.
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I think the Biblical passages that you stress so often are a reflection of who you are.
Obviously, because you miss the whole point that I'm talking within the particular limited context of a law legalizing a violation of God's law. It has nothing to do with what I personally prefer to stress in some kind of general sense, it's only to answer the ridiculously erroneous idea that Jesus would condone such a law or condone anything that justifies sin. He DIED FOR SIN, He's not going to condone it. Sin is THE destructive force in the universe. When the human race disobeyed God things started falling apart from that moment on. We started falling apart, we became subject to disease and death, we lost our ability to communicate with God, all our faculties lost their original strength and sharpness, and the entire physical world started deteriorating. This is all due to SIN. There's no way Jesus is going to condone it. HE DIED BECAUSE OF IT SO WE WON"T HAVE TO BE ETERNALLY PUNISHED FOR IT. THAT IS LOVE OF THE HUMAN RACE. Justifying sin would be hating us.
If by "traditional belief system" you mean traditional plain old Christianity that you can find in any Methodist or Congregational church, then from what I've experienced they seem to be spreading Jesus' message of love.
That would be true of any denomination and it would be better to choose a different one, say Baptist, because Methodism has become liberal. What you say would describe a Baptist church too. But they aren't usually addressing a topic like gay marriage. Happen to show up on a day when that comes up in the sermon and you'll get a different idea.
What I said about the human heart being deceitful is quoted all the time by evangelicals as a reminder to us that we can't trust ourselves, only God.; "Follow your heart" is the exact opposite of a Christian message.
There couldn't be anything MORE inclusive than Christianity, that is what is so weird about your point of view.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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