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RAZD
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Message 123 of 142 (820443)
09-20-2017 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Faith
09-19-2017 10:48 PM


More cognitive dissonance
I don't reject Geology as such just as I don't reject Biology as such, they both do important work. What I reject is the Old Earth and Evolutionist interpretive schemes.
It's not an interpretive scheme (whatever that is), it's conclusions based on facts.
Facts like tree rings, lake varves, marine varves and ice core layers that demonstrate the factual evidence of an old earth, evidence that should not exist in a YECie world.
They also validate carbon-14 dating to 50,000 years ago, longer than any YECie timeline I am aware of. Without a magic flying carpet flood.
Facts like radioactive isotopes and fossils sorted by time into different layers of the geological record, sorting that is physically impossible for a magic flood to accomplish except by miraculous interventions.
Facts that validate an ancient age for the earth and confirm the accuracy of radiometric dating methods by several independent methods that all come to the same end result.
Facts like mutations adding diversity to breeding populations, and the process of evolution occurring in virtually every living population on earth. Without running out of variations as you blindly and falsely assert.
Science doesn't pick and choose it's evidence, it accepts all of it and then explains it with theories based on the evidence, and make predictions. When those predictions fail the theories are discarded or modified to accommodate the new information. When those predictions happen, the theory is used to make fresh predictions.
This isn't a matter of interpretation: the theories pass or fail based on the results of the predictions.
... What I reject is the Old Earth and Evolutionist interpretive schemes.
What you do is reject the information that is at odds with your strongly held beliefs -- that's cognitive dissonance.
You make up stuff to comply with your strongly held beliefs, and when they get inevitably shot down as fantasy you get mad that people don't understand your point of view -- that too is cognitive dissonance.
... What I reject is the Old Earth and Evolutionist interpretive schemes.
What you reject is reality.
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RAZD
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Message 131 of 142 (826505)
01-03-2018 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by AlexCaledin
01-02-2018 2:57 PM


Elsewhere Elder Paisius counseled: "We ought always to be careful and be in constant hesitation about whether things are really as we think. For when someone is constantly occupied with his thoughts and trusts in them, the devil will manage things in such a way that he will make the man evil, even if by nature he was good".
And that rather well sums up the evangelical fanatic mind-set: ignore anything that conflicts with your belief for the devil awaits.
How do you know he (satan/god = Loki) hasn't already pranked you?
When you have no means to test "whether things are really as we think" then imagination and wishful thinking and make-believe cannot be distinguished from reality.
That's why presuppositions are dangerous -- they can lead you astray while you gladly follow.
- just found an extremely valuable text for Believers (not for Atheists):
Because atheists will know it is poppycock, while believers will lap it up without even a hint of skepticism?
Another good example of the type of false thinking detailed in Message 1 (did you read it?)
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Message 137 of 142 (826523)
01-03-2018 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Phat
01-03-2018 9:21 AM


Re: How Can An Orthodox Guy be a Con?
Easy, just as any believer of any sect can be a con -- why would he be any different?
... I figured that since this guy was an Orthodox Christian he was not a flim-flam man like the televangelists in America.
All that means is that he has opinions. Everyone has opinions, some good, some worthless, some downright wrong.
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