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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Wasn’t a member of the commission suing to get access to the proceedings because he had been completely frozen out ? That’s a pretty good sign that the whole thing was fraudulent.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Wasn’t a member of the commission suing to get access to the proceedings because he had been completely frozen out ? That’s a pretty good sign that the whole thing was fraudulent. Yes. It was Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap that sued the commission. In fact, Dunlap has prevailed in his lawsuit and a court order has been issued requiring that commission share documentation with him. That is likely the real reason for shutting the commission down. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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I think that the press need to hound Trump and his minions to hell and back over this - where’s you three million illegals? at every possible occasion. Not that we would ever find more than a dozen of them, but still.....
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
An opinion piece in today's New York Times tells us what we already know: Everyone in Trumpworld Knows He’s an Idiot. I'll include some quotes from the piece, but two facts in combination are incredibly scary:
What does it mean for us if 30-40% of the country has no problem with someone as obviously unfit for office as Trump? He's a great performer in front of crowds, and he's mastered the art of playground insult and figured out how to apply it effectively in adult interactions. And he's caused many to stoop to his level, not because he's caused them to lose their cool, but because playground adjectives are the only ones that accurately apply to someone so dismally unqualified to be an adult, let alone president of the most powerful (economically and militarily) country in the world. Some of that 30-40% of Americans both recognize Trump's incompetence and support him anyway because he shares their positions on issues, but what does it say about people who support an incompetent just because he supports the same causes? And especially what does it say about people willing to work in his administration who are, in effect, enablers of the whims of an insane, cruel, ignorant, impulsive man who has been handed great power. Some probably believe they're doing good by attempting to mitigate the damage, but Trump has proved he can't be managed. A couple quotes from the opinion piece:
quote: --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: What does it mean for us if 30-40% of the country has no problem with someone as obviously unfit for office as Trump? He's a great performer in front of crowds, and he's mastered the art of playground insult and figured out how to apply it effectively in adult interactions. And he's caused many to stoop to his level, not because he's caused them to lose their cool, but because playground adjectives are the only ones that accurately apply to someone so dismally unqualified to be an adult, let alone president of the most powerful (economically and militarily) country in the world. It is just history repeating. Benito Mussolini was totally incompetent, always screwing up. Adolph Hitler was a nutjob that the capitalists would be able to control. Joseph Stalin was a hick from the backwoods and would be easy to manipulate. What it means is that as a nation we do a really shitty job of teaching people how to think and in particular, US Conservative Christianity is based on checking your brain at the door and utter subservience in even the most obvious absurdities.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Jar writes: What it means is that as a nation we do a really shitty job of teaching people how to think Amen to that. Education cures an awful lot of societal problems. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Jeff Sessions released the memo that we've been expecting for a week or so announcing that the Obama era policy of not going after marijuana in those states that have legalized it has been reversed.
Sessions Ends Policy That Allowed States to Embrace Legal Pot | Courthouse News Service
quote: I am not a proponent of drug use, but I'm also not in favor of the current 'war on drugs' which when coupled with the programs to privatize prisons results in very destructive and expensive policies for imprisoning US citizens. These policies also help fund the criminal element in many communities. Some reaction to the new policy:
quote: Polls suggest that 64 percent of Americans are in favor of the decriminalization of marijuana. Perhaps what America really needs is a good dose of f'ed up reactionary policy in action before they figure out that these folks are not your friends. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
In the words of this article, What Trump does and doesn't have in common with Hitler comparisons with Hitler are lazy at best.
In 1932, Germany had an unemployment rate of about 30 per cent. It had been bankrupted by the First World War, the reparations bill imposed by the Allies, and then the Great Depression. It had suffered ridiculous hyperinflation - the Reichsmark collapsed to 4.2 trillion per US$1 in 1923, wiping out everyone's savings. These statistics, stacked on 2-3 million war deaths, bear no comparison with America's recent history.(...)History does not in fact repeat, ever. There is nothing inevitable about Trump or the death of democracy which his rise is said to portend. We are not captive to history, but it has much to teach us. The historical lessons here are that the unthinkable is always possible, and that a political vacuum will always be filled by opportunists.(...)In a country which feels the loss of its status as sole military and economic superpower, which has not won a war since 1945, whose middle class has been hollowed out and its working class devastated by economic upheaval, while the real wages of most workers have been stagnant for the past 50 years but S&P 500 company CEOs now earn 204 times the pay of their average workers, these howls resonate. The anger in America has been building for decades, and it is deep. I for one dont think that many of us, myself included, could handle what the Germans had to handle. And by the way, how did the capitalists control Hitler? Im curious....Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: And by the way, how did the capitalists control Hitler? Im curious.... The result is pretty clear. Most of the companies made money. They built and supplied and a great time was had by all. Well, all the capitalists.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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NoNukes writes: When I first heard this, being from Colorado, I was outraged at Sessions audacity until I realized that what I have read prior to this is being verified. Populists seek to foster division rather than unity. As for marijuana in Colorado, that genie is already out of the bottle and that bottle won't ever be capped again. eff Sessions released the memo that we've been expecting for a week or so announcing that the Obama era policy of not going after marijuana in those states that have legalized it has been reversed. Besides...the strategy behind some of these political decisions seems to be to distract the public from the main issues of the day...which continues to be Muellers investigation, which must be getting too close for comfort.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I'll repeat my earlier prediction.
I predict that once our country experiences another bubble and another correction (which will be inevitable) that things will really get ugly and that the divisiveness which has been sown will come to full fruition with devastating social consequences. Once the bill becomes due, the capitalists will skate off with their money and tax breaks and the rest of us will be left holding the bag. Trumps base will blame the Left and full-fledged division will have effectively been sown.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
NoNukes writes, in part:
I am not a proponent of drug use, but I'm also not in favor of the current 'war on drugs' which when coupled with the programs to privatize prisons results in very destructive and expensive policies for imprisoning US citizens. These policies also help fund the criminal element in many communities. ...and of course it is very funny how one of the biggest stockholders in privatized prisons is none other than Jeff Sessions. Criminal element, indeed.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Besides...the strategy behind some of these political decisions seems to be to distract the public from the main issues of the day...which continues to be Muellers investigation, which must be getting too close for comfort. I respectfully disagree. While Mueller's investigation is important, the things folks like Sessions does have lasting impacts that might easily outlast whatever happens to Trump. In fact, I would suggest that the most important and lasting impact of the Trump administration is going to be the appointment of federal judges that the Republican Senate refused to allow Obama to appoint. Potentially that impact is even larger than the single appointment to the Supreme Court that Obama did not get to make. The second largest impact is the ongoing assault being wrought by having Jeff Sessions as the attorney general. In my opinion, appointing Sessions is the single worst thing Trump has done. If Sessions had not been forced to recuse himself, it seems likely that Mueller would be long gone. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
NN writes: In fact, I would suggest that the most important and lasting impact of the Trump administration is going to be the appointment of federal judges that the Republican Senate refused to allow Obama to appoint. And that is exactly what is happening with even the most absolutely incompetent candidates being rapidly and quietly approved. The harm has already been done and is unlikely to be reversed for many, many decades.
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