Creation

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The Bible does not say when the beginning was, just that it was.

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It seems to say that In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Then it proceeds to explain how. One of the things that happened was He made Adam. From the chronologies, we can deduce about how long ago that was.

From the rest of the bible we know a few things that quantify this. One example is that this universe or heavens, stars, etc,, will pass away suddenly. Fold up like a scroll.So whatever the stars are, they will all cease to exist one day. We also know that stars were put there to be for signs and time for man on earth. From earth, we will also see them all disappear. So one cannot suggest that the stars were already here before the world in any meaningful way.

" 14. departed--Greek, "was separated from" its place; "was made to depart." Not as ALFORD, "parted asunder"; for, on the contrary, it was rolled together as a scroll which had been open is rolled up and laid aside. There is no "asunder one from another" here in the Greek, as in Ac 15:39, which ALFORD copies. "Welcome to the Future - StudyLight.orgRev 6:14 -And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. I do not see the sun in there anywhere. You seem to be trying to adjust it to what you think science demands. I do see that the sun will go out...dark in the very end. Cities will need to use candles. Well, since every tower on earth will shake to the ground, maybe using the word city is a stretch, but you get the drift. Beliefs. They might as well say they believe a turtle had a bowel movement and out popped the universe. You mentioned you thought the sun did the melting. That won't work for the stars!The heat thing probably refers to the earth area anyhow. We do see God sends fire from heaven to melt the surface of the earth and cleanse it after the 1000 years reign. Probably that is when Peter is talking about...not constellations 'melting'! Actually stars are not even mentioned till several verses later. You infer that because you want to get billions of years in by verse one for no apparent reason.

Yet there will be. That tells me science doesn't really know how the sun works...or will work.

It is elementary that if the bible is true, that the sun does or will not work the way science has conceived.The test will come. Better have some candles ready I guess. The stars, when they fall, and go out will be at the same time, so we can't blame the sun.

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No we don't.

Well Genesis does say the stars were put in something.

[qs=jar]Well all honest people know that the Bible stories themselves are evidence that they are not true.[qs] Absurdly false. Old wives tale. By Gen 2 it was over and done. Finished. What it covers was no order.

Modulus..

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...And there definitely was a prior point in time for today. Yesterday is an example.

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On earth, yes. In the area around the earth and sun..yes. Can you show there was time as we know it out where stars are?

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Now if you think time is a dimension like some, I will ask you as I have asked others to tell me how to measure time. You can not measure it with a watch as they only measures the duration between events.

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Time is the duration of existence between events in eternity that we measure by various means based on the rotation of the earth in relation to the sun.

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That is one definition of time. I don't think we could define eternity. Part of your time definition includes eternity.I think man also uses the decay of atoms to measure time, and other things, not just the rotation of earth.....

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Why can't we define eternity?

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We define it as infinite or unending.

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God defined it when He said I exist that I exist.

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Without existence there can be no events with duration between them to measure.

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How about existence where the duration does not involve the same amount of time? If you existed near a star, how would we know what sort of time you would experience there?Our concept of unending may not really encompass what eternity is. For example we imagine an arrow of time moving in a certain way in a certain direction. What if time was something else? I see time more as a feature of this temporary present world.

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The atomic clock uses the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom to equal a second.

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But it is still based on the rotation of the earth relative to the sun. Every so often the atomic clock has to be adjusted to match the rotation of the earth. That is the reason we have leap seconds.

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Interesting.But I am not sure that radioactive decay really has much to do with the earth moving round the sun. If people need to adjust clocks that is something that has to do with people. Nt decay, and not really the orbits of planets.Edited by creation, : No reason given.

Being indefinite to poor little man does not mean something is indefinite.

You cannot say duration (the way time exists and is woven with space) is the same everywhere in the universe, sorry. Prove it.As for your claim there is no time..ha.I don't think you know what time is, and cannot wave it away as being merely a construct of the mind of man. How long does it take for a squirrel to cross a road or a bird to migrate? Time is not a figment or creation of our mind it is real.

Speak for yourself when you say 'we' define....not everyone accepts your religious definition attempts.