Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?

Physics where a star is? How does that show what time is like there> Ha.

No you have not addressed what time is like, or even what it is here actually.Light arrives, yes. Then we see it! Where? Here! Always here. Only here. Nowhere else ever. So all you see is light here. Not there. Only here.

No you have not provided any evidence of what time is like at all actually. You talk of light here. Well, that is irrelevant.

Yes stick to it! What science have you to prove time exists in deep space as it does here?Just because something HAPPENS there and is seen here does not mean it takes the same time TO happen!

No. Relativity handles most of that quite nicely.

Explain how relativity of the fishbowl handles telling us the precise nature of time and space far far away?

No, you have to prove your claim!So far all our observations have correlated with each other in a manner that is consistent with the same laws of physics operating the same way in all the observable universe. We have not encountered evidence to contradict that nor to question it.Now you and other creationists claim the contrary, but offer no evidence to support your position. Furthermore, you demand that we instead must prove our position to you. That is not how it works, Sunny Jim! You make a claim, so you need to support and provide evidence or cogent arguments for it.And since your claim is so extraordinary, then your evidence for it must also be extraordinary. Yet so far you have presented nothing. Nor do you seem to understand any of the science that you want to wave aside with your unsupported claim. Same as starman (assuming you two are not one and the same).That means that there is some creationist out there feeding you this nonsense that you are regurgitating here. Please identify your source.

Until you produce evidence to support your assertion, yes it does.So let's hear your case. There's a Nobel Prize at stake here, best to get on with it before you're beaten to it.

They are part of the same spacetime continuum. At some points in this continuum, far away was here - but being a continuum the nature of time and space far far away is the same as the nature of time and space here - as they are subsets of precisely the same entity.

No. Those who model the universe based on one belief or the other and who call that science, bear the burden of proof. Obviously. Otherwise we all have beliefs, thanks. This being a science forum one would think you would be able to pony up on science claims.Now we all see you cannot.Have fun with your religion!Edited by creation, : No reason given.

We know you believe that. However you need to do more than state it is so. You have provided no reason to support your belief here. Unless time existed the same at all points what you say is absurd. So..how do you think you know time is the same and exists at all points?Edited by creation, : No reason given.

100 years of experimental verification seems sufficient to me. I already mentioned some of them, you must have forgotten. Precession of the perihelion of Mercury, particle accelerators, gravitational lensing etc etc etc. In the same way that length exists the same at all points, time does too. Their measurement varies according the frame of reference of the measurer. As I said - working from this assumption makes predictions which match observations. AKA science.You are doing an excellent case at inadvertently advertising the need for teaching this and a poor job of justifying not teaching it. I'm not here to teach you relativity, but if you have a specific objection maybe we can find a thread to discuss that in.

I never claimed to have "addressed what time is like," either here or elsewhere. But I did address how we know that the effects of space-time are the same both here and throughout the universe in Message 678 of the thread Falsifying a young Universe. (re: Supernova 1987A). Why do you think a photon of light is different depending upon its point of origin and where it is observed?--PercyEdited by Percy, : Typo.

I don't think we know much about the nature of time. We know that motion tells us time is passing.Light, more accurately electromagnetic radiation, is how we make observations (gravity is one other way). We know how space-time behaves - the theory is called relativity. It's been verified to behave the same throughout the universe.What has any of this to do with the topic about whether we should teach evolution and religion in school? You seem to be discussing the same thing in every thread you join. Instead of splattering the same discussion across multiple threads, maybe you should just start a new thread to discuss this thing that interests you about how we can only know how the world in our immediate vicinity behaves.--Percy

Mercury is in the fishbowl, irrelevant.You cannot take a triangle, and use the small end to represent time in the fishbowl, and then extend the longer parts to stars as if that also represented space and time there.