Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,817 Year: 3,074/9,624 Month: 919/1,588 Week: 102/223 Day: 13/17 Hour: 1/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Does Atheism = No beliefs?
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9489
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


(1)
Message 331 of 414 (786526)
06-22-2016 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 326 by ringo
06-22-2016 3:50 PM


ringo writes:
You insist that I am an atheist.
If you don't believe in god(s), then you're an atheist. It's very simple.
quote:
You seem to want me on your side even though you think I'm dumb.
Couple of points, I don't care which side you're on and you're not dumb, you just regularly say dumb things purely for arguments sake.
quote:
You're an evangelical atheist.
Maybe. So?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 326 by ringo, posted 06-22-2016 3:50 PM ringo has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 334 by Phat, posted 06-23-2016 9:57 AM Tangle has replied
 Message 339 by ringo, posted 06-23-2016 12:33 PM Tangle has replied

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9489
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


Message 341 of 414 (786581)
06-23-2016 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 334 by Phat
06-23-2016 9:57 AM


Re: For The Record
Phat writes:
"An evangelical Christian is an Christian who is not content merely with his own faith but is also obsessed with (i) censoring expressions of diferent faith by others and (ii) attempting to sow belief in others around him."
Thats evil.
That's the Christian message isn't it?
You don't strike me as quite that mean, however..Tangle.
I don't think it's either evil or mean - but it isn't me. This place is pretty much the only place I discuss this stuff - nobody else cares much where I come from. So if I am, we all are.
After all, what harm can believers cause that would inspire us to try and make fewer of them?
Where do I start.......?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 334 by Phat, posted 06-23-2016 9:57 AM Phat has seen this message but not replied

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9489
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


(1)
Message 343 of 414 (786588)
06-23-2016 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 339 by ringo
06-23-2016 12:33 PM


ringo writes:
And if you don't know, you're agnostic. Equally simple.
Wrong, but I'm not starting that again here.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 339 by ringo, posted 06-23-2016 12:33 PM ringo has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 344 by ringo, posted 06-24-2016 12:23 PM Tangle has not replied

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9489
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


Message 367 of 414 (827469)
01-26-2018 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 360 by GDR
01-25-2018 6:56 PM


GDR writes:
Just a quick question. What would you call someone who believes that there probably is an intelligent cause for our existence, but does not adhere to any specific religion, or even any particular belief in the nature of that intelligence?
A Deist.
He isn't really theistic because he doesn't necessarily believe that this intelligence is at all involved with the world now,
That the definition of a cold deist.
Deism - Wikipedia
he isn't really a deist because he acknowledges that possibly he/she/it could be involved and he isn't an atheist either.
That's a warm deist.
Wouldn't agnostic fit that person better than any other term. I suggest that there is a lot of people who fall into that category.
These people believe that something created the universe - the only name we have for that is god. They are therefore deists.
There are no agnostics, by definition.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 360 by GDR, posted 01-25-2018 6:56 PM GDR has not replied

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9489
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


Message 373 of 414 (827652)
01-29-2018 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 372 by Phat
01-29-2018 7:39 AM


Re: Two Atheists With Similar Views
Phat writes:
Atheists walk humbly with each other as humans....
That sounds like religion speak to me.
yet don't consider God....much as one would not consider a spaghetti monster ambling with them towards the sunset.
That's just bizarre...
My only critique of such a philosophy is that it raises humans to a responsible level of being fully responsible for our own survival...which scares me a bit.
That's not a critique, that's your fear of having to be responsible for yourself. That fear is why gods are invented by people. It explains the whole caboodle.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 372 by Phat, posted 01-29-2018 7:39 AM Phat has seen this message but not replied

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9489
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


Message 379 of 414 (827675)
01-29-2018 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 377 by Phat
01-29-2018 12:18 PM


Re: Two Atheists With Similar Views
Phat writes:
I should be entitled to a good safe retirement.
Then you're living in the wrong country and/or voting the wrong way.
I should be safe from any killer germs or viruses.
Then you have to ask your god, why he made killer germs and viruses. Does that make any sense to you?
There should be world peace.
We'll only achieve that through our own efforts. Your god is not helping any.
Although I suppose you could argue that all of us should have equal rights.
In which case, I should be able to have a much free stuff as the darn shoplifters, whom I see every day and whom all should be in jail.
Doesn't any of this make you doubt all that god bollox?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 377 by Phat, posted 01-29-2018 12:18 PM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 389 by Phat, posted 02-09-2018 7:05 PM Tangle has replied

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9489
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


Message 390 of 414 (828101)
02-10-2018 3:15 AM
Reply to: Message 389 by Phat
02-09-2018 7:05 PM


Re: Two Atheists With Similar Views
Phat writes:
Have you heard of him?
No, and he sound pretty objectionable and a bit of a bigot.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 389 by Phat, posted 02-09-2018 7:05 PM Phat has seen this message but not replied

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9489
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


(4)
Message 396 of 414 (828263)
02-15-2018 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 394 by KyleConno
02-15-2018 4:42 AM


Re: Atheism ≠ no beliefs
KyleConno writes:
Atheists believe that there is a force beyond humans that governs the nature but they disapprove the theory of naming the force and dividing it into different religions.
Just for Phat's benefit - I can feel him getting all excited - this is not language atheists would use.
Atheists don't believe in forces beyond humans. If they talk about 'forces' at all, it's in the physics sense, not the mystical.
All that an atheist is is someone who doesn't believe in god(s). End.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 394 by KyleConno, posted 02-15-2018 4:42 AM KyleConno has not replied

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9489
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


(1)
Message 398 of 414 (828376)
02-16-2018 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 397 by AlexCaledin
02-16-2018 4:25 PM


AC writes:
Atheists do believe that they, wretched things on a tiny planet hopelessly lost in the multiverse, to die forever very soon, are nevertheless absolutely the greatest ones!
Don't be silly.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 397 by AlexCaledin, posted 02-16-2018 4:25 PM AlexCaledin has not replied

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9489
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


Message 402 of 414 (828409)
02-17-2018 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 400 by Phat
02-17-2018 12:21 PM


Phat writes:
Alex is just pointing out how arrogant people are being so small and claiming to have no need for a Creator.
Yeh, well Alex is just saying dumb things.
God is like oxygen...you wont even miss Him until you need Him.
You do spout some utter crap sometimes Phat. How can anyone miss something that doesn't exist?
There are no atheists in locked school classrooms during crazy shootings.
Of course there are. You just default to these religious tropes without even thinking don't you?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 400 by Phat, posted 02-17-2018 12:21 PM Phat has seen this message but not replied

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9489
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


Message 409 of 414 (828514)
02-20-2018 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 407 by Phat
02-20-2018 11:39 AM


Re: Never Hurts To Believe In Eternity
I remember a while back hearing that the last words recorded by the black box in an aircraft just before it crashes are 'oh fuck'. They don't appear to be praying.
Also, it always amuses (wrong word) me when you hear Muslims thanking Allah for sparing them when hundreds around them have been blown to pieces. What is going on here? Apparently god has nothing to do with the horrors just the luck of individuals.
But it gets dafter, apparently god has saved them from the ultimate fabulousness of being by his side. These survivors are grateful to be alive, when in fact they should be really annoyed about missing out on an opportunity all their friends are now enjoying.
It seems to me that the suicide bombers are the true believers.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 407 by Phat, posted 02-20-2018 11:39 AM Phat has seen this message but not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 410 by Diomedes, posted 02-20-2018 1:59 PM Tangle has replied

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9489
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


Message 411 of 414 (828558)
02-21-2018 5:39 AM
Reply to: Message 410 by Diomedes
02-20-2018 1:59 PM


Re: Never Hurts To Believe In Eternity
Diomedes writes:
What baffles me is sports fans praying to god for their respective team to win the game.
I think that's pretty much proof that the whole prayer thing is simple superstion.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 410 by Diomedes, posted 02-20-2018 1:59 PM Diomedes has not replied

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9489
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


Message 413 of 414 (828604)
02-21-2018 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 412 by AlexCaledin
02-21-2018 2:42 PM


Don't be silly.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 412 by AlexCaledin, posted 02-21-2018 2:42 PM AlexCaledin has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024