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Phat
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Message 175 of 606 (820777)
09-27-2017 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
09-27-2017 8:09 AM


Re: Back to the Starch Diet Solution
For the record, my attempt this summer of getting onto a ketogenic, low carb diet succeeded for three weeks and then I relapsed. Im trying to find balance and sanity in my approach, yet feel that low carb is the solution for my body type and diabetic insulin resistance.
Glad to see you back, by the way. I even read some of your online blogs and must say that you tell it as you see it! Hope you don't mind if I quote some of your blogs in my attempts to frame the YEC topic.
Hopefully, you can find some peace in this diet topic and not have to become frustrated and typing in all caps! I'm going to get involved in the EvC debate for the first time since I joined here 14 years ago. Like you, my body is wearing out and betraying me. I need a diet that I can live with for life~!

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
An atheist is someone who has no invisible means of support~Bishop Fulton J.Sheen

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Message 268 of 606 (822446)
10-25-2017 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Faith
10-23-2017 4:26 PM


Solutions Should Be Up To The Individual.
I personally find nothing wrong with some of the alternative health solutions suggested by your sources. I think that the key is to be aware of reality rather than to place one's hope in some miracle cure, however.
You said once that you hoped that reading up on some of these nutritional testimonies would perhaps inspire you to eat better, and I think this is a good thing. Your health should be up to you rather than to some Doctor, Nutritional Guru, or alternative "solution".

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 299 of 606 (822690)
10-31-2017 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 298 by ringo
10-31-2017 11:48 AM


Re: Cherry juice, carrot juice, greens as healers
are you suggesting that regular arthritis is a "mechanical problem"? add by edit: Oh now I see.
My arthritis is caused by injuries when I was young and foolish.
I guess my question now is why chemicals cant at least help you deal with the pain. Given the choice between a natural anti-inflammatory and a pill, I would go with the natural one. They both are chemical solutions.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 301 of 606 (822693)
10-31-2017 1:08 PM
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10-31-2017 1:05 PM


Re: Cherry juice, carrot juice, greens as healers
good point.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 310 of 606 (823660)
11-15-2017 7:10 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by Faith
10-30-2017 11:55 AM


DMSO Not FDA Approved Yet It Works
I use one controversial substance after reading lots of information about it. It is called DMSO and the claims are that it has been thoroughly though not conclusively studied. I use it on my feet and ankles to improve circulation and reduce swelling. I can report that it works well for the said purpose. Lots of documented research and lots of testimonials, not that they carry any weight scientifically.
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 312 of 606 (823820)
11-17-2017 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by ringo
11-03-2017 11:42 AM


Re: Cherry juice, carrot juice, greens as healers
Seems they have done scientific studies and the cherry juice concentrate works.
https://youtu.be/N5rcQBVf-_E

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 313 of 606 (823866)
11-18-2017 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 311 by Joe T
11-17-2017 1:29 PM


Re: DMSO Not FDA Approved Yet It Works
I read up a lot on this substance. It is hawked by quacks and doctors alike. There have been many studies done on it scientifically and the consensus seems to be that it is not dangerous...apart from sometimes causing a mild skin rash which goes away--EXCEPT concerning the issue of how it can draw any other substance into the body through its powerful absorbability. Its odd how we Biblical Christians seem to flock towards non FDA approved cures, isnt it? Buzz did it and Faith also does it. I myself occasionally latch onto a product despite it being alternative and unapproved, largely because of all that I read from a wide variety of sources.
I challenge anyone to find literature that shows conclusively that DMSO is either
  • Ineffective or
  • Potentially Dangerous.
    Do your research carefully, as I have done.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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    Phat
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    Message 318 of 606 (826069)
    12-21-2017 12:24 PM
    Reply to: Message 317 by Faith
    12-21-2017 11:50 AM


    Re: jar's vertigo attacks
    I looked up Vertigo also after reading jars post. Its not easy to treat and jar is not one to explore natural solutions...he will trust his medical doctors...but hopefully science will find a way to help

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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    Phat
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    Message 320 of 606 (826071)
    12-21-2017 12:45 PM
    Reply to: Message 319 by Faith
    12-21-2017 12:35 PM


    Re: jar's vertigo attacks
    It looks as if though Vestibular Rehabilitation is the best natural approach to vertigo. It works by retraining the brain to adapt to the balance problems. This link provides an overview of the many possible causes and solutions for vertigo.
    Thanks for showing the Texan some love, Faith.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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    Phat
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    Message 326 of 606 (826335)
    12-29-2017 8:32 AM
    Reply to: Message 325 by LamarkNewAge
    12-29-2017 12:57 AM


    Re: Granny Magada and unanswered questions from Faith.
    Poor cats! That does seem primitive.
    LNA writes:
    ... I am wondering why I can't find enough interest to look into it YET myself. I have known of this issue for decades). It is pretty bull-crapish to me, but I despise Catholics massively on the meat issue (see the bottom of my post for an example) which puts me in a small minority thus my opinion seems worthless.
    Your opinion is never worthless. The better you attempt to express it the more your reason capacity will evolve. I think that your issue has more to do with the monopoly from Western European interpretations of Christianity vs the minority groups which you find fascinating.
    This topic is more focused on whether plant-based solutions are any more worthy than mainstream medicine. Personally, I suspect that Big Pharma is itself evil...though we have never discussed why.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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    Phat
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    Message 332 of 606 (828478)
    02-19-2018 10:47 AM


    Checking Out Willard Water
    Here is a prime example of a substance with no known scientific basis, plenty of anecdotal testimony, and even a stint on 60 minutes, back in 1980:
    60 Minutes Report
    Like the report concludes, the product does no harm and, even if simply a placebo effect has value.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

      
    Phat
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    Message 334 of 606 (828809)
    02-24-2018 2:34 PM
    Reply to: Message 333 by PaulK
    02-20-2018 3:24 PM


    Re: Advice on Supplements
    Sometimes snake oil works... I have found results with the Willard water...besides it cant hurt me. At worst, Ive spent money on the placebo effect.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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    Phat
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    Message 336 of 606 (828812)
    02-24-2018 2:55 PM
    Reply to: Message 335 by PaulK
    02-24-2018 2:43 PM


    Re: Advice on Supplements
    Many have testified that the water does something. They speak of better plant growth, calmer livestock and birds. Animals are a great control group as they dont understand what a placebo is, anyway.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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    Phat
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    Message 339 of 606 (828830)
    02-25-2018 1:57 AM
    Reply to: Message 338 by Rrhain
    02-25-2018 12:49 AM


    Re: Advice on Supplements
    nobody has disproven that specific claim.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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    Phat
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    Message 341 of 606 (828839)
    02-25-2018 4:43 AM
    Reply to: Message 340 by Rrhain
    02-25-2018 2:42 AM


    Re: Advice on Supplements
    It's a scam, Phat.
    While I trust your analysis, I question whether it is indeed a scam. They went before Congress in a hearing. Harry Reasoner gave them a favorable review. No claims have ever been made by the Doc nor his sons.... it's the people who use the product that tout its claims. And like I said before, at worst it is a harmless placebo. So my jury is still out on whether or not it is actually no better than ordinary water.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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