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Author Topic:   Astronomers See Evidence of Something Unexpected in the Universe
Son Goku
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Message 21 of 86 (829135)
03-03-2018 5:29 PM
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03-03-2018 4:23 PM


And everything we say about the world depends on the things we see not being actually a strange effect caused by the interaction of the cornea with the cascade of ejaculate spewing from frantically masturbating invisible imps all around us; but we don't worry about that because it's some silly nonsense I just made up.
Or so you claim. The Imps would most likely have somebody "on the inside" to spread misinformation like this.

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Son Goku
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Message 27 of 86 (829320)
03-06-2018 4:56 AM


Unless I am missing the point General Relativity actually assumes that standard clocks and rulers don't exist and then makes predictions for what we should see here based on that.

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Son Goku
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Message 36 of 86 (829405)
03-06-2018 4:14 PM
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03-06-2018 11:20 AM


Special Relativity posits that all inertial observers agree on the speed of light.
General Relativity, lacking global inertial observers (i.e in general there are no inertial frames) doesn't even posit that. The speed of light will be observer dependent.

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Son Goku
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Message 40 of 86 (829413)
03-06-2018 8:09 PM
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03-06-2018 5:20 PM


I don't know how much detail you want (actual calculations?), but if you shine light on a mirror above the event horizon of a black hole and time the return of the beam and the distance, you won't get the usual speed of light.

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Son Goku
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Message 44 of 86 (829465)
03-07-2018 5:56 PM
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03-07-2018 3:37 PM


Yes indeed, the black hole is a dramatic exaggeration where it would be obvious to a human, but it'd be true above the Earth.
For spherical gravitational fields the speed would be:
where c is the usual speed with no gravity around and the speed in the presence of gravity. M the Mass of the body, G is Newton's Constant and r is the radius of the observer.
For the case you mentioned that results in light being less than a m/s slower.
Edited by Son Goku, : No reason given.

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