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Message 88 of 1184 (828733)
02-23-2018 4:48 AM
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02-23-2018 2:59 AM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
The personal comments are against the rules and thoroughly disgusting.

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Message 95 of 1184 (828756)
02-23-2018 4:28 PM
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02-23-2018 10:00 AM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
Somebody needs to call you down hard, but I guess nobody will.

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Message 99 of 1184 (828767)
02-23-2018 6:27 PM
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02-23-2018 6:02 PM


Re: 17 Dead at Florida High School
gOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU AND MAKE HIS FACE TO SHINE UPON YOU AND GIVE YOU PEACE.
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Message 141 of 1184 (830371)
03-27-2018 9:09 PM
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03-27-2018 8:45 AM


Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Seriously?
The problem with a table like that is that particular areas in the US have a lot more gun deaths because they are crime-ridden areas, inner city areas where the statistics are enormously high. To include those statistics really doesn't give an accurate figure for the nation as a whole. Those aren't the areas where the second amendment is held in high esteem either, they are just violent criminals whose guns are mostly illegal anyway.

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Message 143 of 1184 (830373)
03-28-2018 1:16 AM
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03-27-2018 10:21 PM


Computing gun deaths per 100K per state
I dunno, it keeps seeming odd to me, like density of the population itself is skewing something. I'm not very good at math so I could get this all wrong but here: if a state with a population of a million has an area where there are 200 deaths though there are none in the rest of the state, that works out to 20 deaths per 100K, but in a state of ten million that has an area where there are 200 deaths, though none in the reast of the state, that would only work out to 2 in 100K. The numbers are of course extremely artificial but doesn't it suggest there is something wrong with this way of computing a state's gun deaths?
That is, New York state has the very dense city of New York but the rest of the state is largely rural. It's possible the quieter larger rural areas outbalance the higher gun death rate in the cities to give a lower overall state statistic per 100K than the actual situation warrants. And the reverse in a low population state. Or something like that.
New York City's population is almost 9 million, the whole state is almost 20 million so the part outside NYC is about 11 million. That part may have very few if any gun deaths per 100K so it can bring down the state's total by masking a very high rate in the city.
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Message 145 of 1184 (830383)
03-28-2018 8:53 AM
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03-28-2018 3:31 AM


Re: Computing gun deaths per 100K per state
Perhaps you are right. Or perhaps someone else will come along who explains it differently.

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Message 153 of 1184 (830453)
03-29-2018 7:30 PM
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03-29-2018 3:48 PM


Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Seriously?
Yes I don't think those foreign cities have a crime area the way some of our cities do. Perhaps you could show me otherw2ise.
Yes criminals are human beings too, and yes I could conceivably have had the kind of experiences that made me a criminal too. So what? That doesn't change the fact that there is such a thing as people who live by violence and murdering other people, who are fairly called "criminals," and by the grace of God I don't happen to. So what?
So apparently you don't think there is sufficient disparity in the population density of different parts of a state to make your statistics questionable?
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Message 156 of 1184 (830458)
03-30-2018 11:50 AM
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03-30-2018 10:57 AM


Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Seriously?
Images of slums, no mention of crime statistics there. ABE: Correction, high crime rates are mentioned for London and Mexico City and Paris, and Toronto's waterfront is said to be "dangerous" but I still doubt the incidence is anywhere near ours, and most aren't gun deaths either. Paris is all foreigners too, and I'm not sure how that fits into this.
Isn't the subject gun deaths? Instead you seem to be on one of your rants against me personally for some reason. I know Mexico City is big on crime, drugs mostly I believe, rather than poor people in the slums, and crime areas LIKE OURS means gun deaths. But what do I know since you didn't deal with the question.
I explained my thinking about disparity in population density at the start of this topic (Message 143). I'm sure you disagree but you haven't said how yet.
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Message 157 of 1184 (830459)
03-30-2018 12:28 PM
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03-30-2018 11:50 AM


Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Seriously?
Sure I can feel sorry for criminals, and especially for their victims who also live in those areas and don't commit crimes. It's utterly irrelevant to the topic but you are on a rant, as I said, trying to find something to accuse me of.
But I do wonder if you would say the Mafia are "just making their way the best they can?"
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Message 160 of 1184 (830465)
03-30-2018 5:33 PM
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03-30-2018 5:30 PM


Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Seriously?
Of course. I didn't think that looked like London.

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Message 161 of 1184 (830466)
03-30-2018 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Modulous
03-30-2018 2:57 PM


The root cause is spiritual
When people are taught that there is no higher authority than themselves and they come to believe that they can do anything they desire to do. They then lose respect for themselves. When they have no respect for themselves they will have no respect for others or other peoples property.
See, normally that would be a series of code words meaning 'atheists are to blame' - but that clearly doesn't make sense. America is one of the most religious countries in Western Civilization. So since that can't be what you mean - who is teaching this?
Are you saying that since god is imaginary, religious people are being taught that they are the highest authority? That seems unlikely too. So this is either lazy theory that doesn't mean anything specific - or you had something in mind I can't decipher.
I'm not sure why you can't decipher this, unless maybe as a Brit your experience has been that different from Americans' over the last few decades. I agree with ICANT, the loss of belief in God, or at least acknowledgment of God even at the cultural level even by nonChristians, that has been growing over the last century, does mean that people no longer have a solid authority for good behavior, or a fear of God to keep us from committing all the sins in the book. America WAS a truly Christian nation but it isn't any more. I'm speaking about the culture at large, but I think personal belief has also been drastically falling.
Not sure where it started but getting prayer thrown out of the schools thanks to Madalyn Murray O'Hare is often thought to be the starting point. We've been throwing out all the cultural Christian trappings on the basis of the First Amendment of all things, getting rid of the Ten Commandments and anything else that might remind us that w are spiritual beings answerable to our Creator.
Most at EvC applaud these developments, surprising you aren't aware of them. I rather consciously flouted all, well most of, the commandments when I was younger because I believed it was all false since that's what we were being told. So I believed that evolution was true and I had no moral obligation beyond what made sense to me: "everybody did what was right in their own eyes."
ABE: P.S.
The reason for the 2nd amendment in the first place was that every man would be armed which would cause any country contemplating an invasion they would not do so knowing there was a gun in every house.
And yet not even the majority of houses has a gun - and invading the USA does not seem to be on anyone's agenda.
Invading the US would rapidly show up on some agendas if we were completely disarmed.
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Faith 
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Message 163 of 1184 (830469)
03-30-2018 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Percy
03-30-2018 5:59 PM


Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Seriously?
Had that been your life instead of the one you actually led, would it have right to dismiss you as a "violent criminal"?
I didn't "dismiss" anybody. You are making things up I didn't say. I was speaking objectively and descriptively by calling criminals criminals. You are getting so PC you can't even follow a conversation. And if I were a violent criminal of course it would be right to CALL me a violent criminal. Sheesh.

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Message 166 of 1184 (830472)
03-30-2018 6:50 PM
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03-30-2018 6:22 PM


Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Seriously?
No you made all that up. I was calling violent criminals violent criminals. Sorry if that wasn't clear but it should have been given the context.

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Message 168 of 1184 (830476)
03-31-2018 6:07 AM
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03-30-2018 11:08 PM


Re: religiosity and guns
I still agree with ICANT. Unbelievers never get it right.

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Message 178 of 1184 (830545)
04-02-2018 3:50 PM
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03-30-2018 6:22 PM


Re: Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Seriously?
You can quote someone's actual words and still get it wrong.

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