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As Feynman said, paraphrasing, "The easiest person to fool is yourself."--Percy

But your rebuttals of the fossil order are nothing but denial and name calling like "illusion", "paradigm" and "mental exercise". You don't actually have any arguments against the fossil order because it is real. The deeper the strata in the geologic column, the more different the fossils from modern forms, and paleontology has classified these extinct forms according to the Linnaean system.You do seem to recognize that the lack of any mixing by the Flood requires explanation, that no rabbit ever got buried with a trilobite, no pterodactyl with a bat. Even if that's all you'll concede, that's an order, not an illusion, one that can't be explained by "Unknown factors, hydraulic mechanisms" as you attempted in Message 1813. I rebutted this in Message 1986, but your reply in Message 1988 addressed almost none of my rebuttals, including that one.--Percy

Edge hasn't replied, so I'll attempt an answer, partly based on his posts, partly based on what I can fill in. Chronostratigraphic means assigning absolute dates to strata.This all started back in Edge's Message 1895: You replied in your Message 1911: Edge replied in Message 1912 that the upper horizontal line represents sea level at that time, which was at the top of the Desmoinesian Stage (North American) of the Pennsylvanian sub-System, which is part of the Carboniferous. In other words, that line represents sea level at about 306 million years ago.But addressing the issue that began your exchange, you asserted that there should have been obstacles in the way of sedimentation, and that's what that diagram shows. The ancestral Rocky Mountains are the blocks at bottom of the diagram that represent topographic obstacles. They're present in Edge's image, not yours.The geological strata are a record of the history of our planet. We know how sediments are deposited because we can see how sediments are deposited today. That sediments can be deposited over uneven terrain cannot be in doubt, because we can see it happening today.I've said before that I often find interpreting geological images challenging, so hopefully Edge will correct my errors.--Percy

If you do say so yourself. The quality of your arguments is determined not by what you think of them, but how they are thought of by others. I think you get a great deal of feedback about the quality of your arguments. I think everyone has experienced making a dumb argument, but I do have to admit that your determination to repeat the same dumb arguments over and over again is exceptional. You're cutting me off again? Aw, geez...--Percy

Well, there's always self gratification. Send yourself a few abusive posts. Type slow and sexy.....

For the purposes of a discussion, we might call it a datum. In both diagrams, the Ancestral Rockies are on the very right hand edge of the diagram. As they rose, they shed debris off into the Pennsylvanian aged seas, forming a deep trough that was an evaporite basin for a long time.All this happened during the Pennsylvanian time when strata (in the sense of Faith) were being deposited in the Grand Canyon area.Consequently, we can say that, yes there were obstacles to continental-scale sedimentation during the time that Grand Canyon 'strata' were being deposited and that the strata were not like unrolling the layers of carpet across the continent.

Part of my point in that post was that Faith, like many YECs, has a tendency to add to definitions. The term 'strata' is particularly misconstrued by Faith.

Strata could overlie anything but the strata I'm talking about are those that make up the Geological Column that is seen ON THE LAND all over the place and not in the oceans. And if a new layer is NOT overlying existing geological column it's not part of the geological column. The Geological Column is over and done with, it is not continuing, the Flood built it and it's done. This is evident wherever it exists. That's why you all pretend it can go on in ways it couldn't possibly go on. Ugh what deceit.And the word "stratum" means "layer." How can I get that wrong?Edited by Faith, : o

Technically, you didn't. You're so disconnected from reality that you are in the zone known as "not even wrong".Listening to you talk about the geological column is pretty much like listening to a cat explain split shifting. The cat's mouth is moving and sound is coming out, but you kind of get the sense his feet have never actually reached the pedals.

To return to my previous metaphor, please try to explain how a new layer of paint on a previously painted wall could not be over an existing layer of paint? How would that layer of paint not be part of the accumulated layers of paint called "the geological/paint column"?

You're going to have to point out this supposed layer over other layers of the Geo Column that's like all those other layers. It doesn't exist.

God stopped making rocks after the flood apparently.

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Strata could overlie anything but the strata I'm talking about are those that make up the Geological Column that is seen ON THE LAND all over the place and not in the oceans

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If material laid down under the sea doesn’t count, then you ought to exclude all the marine strata from the geological column.

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And if a new layer is NOT overlying existing geological column it's not part of the geological column.

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Another thing that doesn’t make sense. There has to be a base layer to the geological column. By definition the base layer can’t overly existing geological column.

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The Geological Column is over and done with, it is not continuing, the Flood built it and it's done. This is evident wherever it exists.

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It is certainly not evident. It is evident that the geological column was not built in a mere year or by a flood of any sort. It is evident that sedimentation continues, in a very large scale in some places.That you think otherwise, despite all the evidence is testimony only to your ability to deny the truth.

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That's why you all pretend it can go on in ways it couldn't possibly go on. Ugh what deceit.

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Sure, Faith. You have to pretend we’re doing what you’re doing. Standard Creationist tactic. But hardly one that works. Even you know that your claims are often false, your frequent evasiveness proves that. And don’t bother whining about ad hominem. All I’m doing is answering your false accusation. We don’t need another display of hypocrisy from you.

The Flood made particular kinds of straight flat rocks that cover huge areas. When the Flood ended those kinds of rocks were no longer being made. Gosh you guys can be obtuse.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

And Slatibardfast made the crinkly bits around Norway. Special rocks huh? Made out of special stuff not found anywhere else. Exceot everywhere we look. And flat - yikes we never see that either. Except where we see it of course.