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jar
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Message 2101 of 2887 (831634)
04-22-2018 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 2099 by Faith
04-22-2018 4:24 AM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Faith writes:
The Flood made particular kinds of straight flat rocks that cover huge areas. When the Flood ended those kinds of rocks were no longer being made. Gosh you guys can be obtuse.
Yet it is impossible for a flood to lay down the rocks in the order that they exist in reality and you have never presented any model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that would allow a flood to lay down the rocks in the order found in reality.
The Biblical Flood stories in the Bible as simply plot devices made up by the men who created and first told the tales. They never happened.
All you have is the dogma of your Cult and even in the Bible itself that is contradictory and mutually exclusive.

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 2102 of 2887 (831636)
04-22-2018 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 2096 by Faith
04-22-2018 4:09 AM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
You're going to have to point out this supposed layer over other layers of the Geo Column that's like all those other layers. It doesn't exist.
So when you walk into the painted room and stick your finger into the new layer of paint, do you cry out "This isn't the next layer of paint! It's fresh and sticky! It's nothing like the other layers! They're dry and this is wet! The painting stopped yesterday! Those other layers were put on the wall in a completely different way! They're not wet like the top layer!"
Oh, yeah, right. That's exactly what you do.

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edge
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Message 2103 of 2887 (831637)
04-22-2018 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 2102 by Capt Stormfield
04-22-2018 12:37 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
So when you walk into the painted room and stick your finger into the new layer of paint, do you cry out "This isn't the next layer of paint! It's fresh and sticky! It's nothing like the other layers! They're dry and this is wet! The painting stopped yesterday! Those other layers were put on the wall in a completely different way! They're not wet like the top layer!"
Faith does not see tomorrow, either. Time does not exist in Faith's world. The earth is a static, dead planet.

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Faith 
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Message 2104 of 2887 (831638)
04-22-2018 1:20 PM
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04-22-2018 12:37 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
The strata are nothing like layers of paint. Show me a new sedimentary rock layer that is anything like the Geological Column layers, in horizontal straightness and flatness and especially in extent. It doesn't exist. Your analogy to paint is ridiculously inadequate.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 2105 of 2887 (831639)
04-22-2018 1:25 PM
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04-22-2018 1:06 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
I don't see anything "static" about a planet that started out absolute idyllic perfection and was then destroyed by water and is now always crashing around with earthquakes and volcanoes and hurricanes and the like. All the result of God's judgment against human sin. It is now a huge graveyard since the Flood, but the planet itself is a little too active to describe as "dead."

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 2106 of 2887 (831640)
04-22-2018 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2104 by Faith
04-22-2018 1:20 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Show me a new sedimentary rock layer that is anything like the Geological Column layers, in horizontal straightness and flatness and especially in extent.
Thank you for doing precisely what I predicted. You have just stated that the wet layer isn't dry.

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Faith 
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Message 2107 of 2887 (831641)
04-22-2018 1:52 PM
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04-22-2018 1:46 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Sometimes it seems all that goes on here is semantic obfuscations and ridiculous straw man arguments like yours. No there is no similarity to your wet paint analogy in what I said.

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Tangle
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Message 2108 of 2887 (831642)
04-22-2018 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 2104 by Faith
04-22-2018 1:20 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Faith writes:
Show me a new sedimentary rock layer that is anything like the Geological Column layers
It's called The Rock Cycle Faith.
quote:
A river carries, or transports, pieces of broken rock as it flows along. When the river reaches a lake or the sea, its load of transported rocks settles to the bottom. We say that the rocks are deposited. The deposited rocks build up in layers, called sediments. This process is called sedimentation.
The weight of the sediments on top squashes the sediments at the bottom. This is called compaction. The water is squeezed out from between the pieces of rock and crystals of different salts form.
The crystals form a sort of glue that sticks or cements the pieces of rock together. This process is called cementation.
These processes eventually make a type of rock called sedimentary rock. It may take millions of years for sedimentary rocks to form.
Page not found - BBC Bitesize
It takes a while....
And we can tell you how long....
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 2109 of 2887 (831643)
04-22-2018 2:17 PM
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04-22-2018 1:52 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Odd that you bring up semantic obfuscation. Could you please explain in some detail how a layer that needs to be buried and compressed to acquire its defining characteristics, could be "new" and "on top"?

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 2110 of 2887 (831644)
04-22-2018 2:31 PM
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04-22-2018 1:20 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Show me a new sedimentary rock layer that is anything like the Geological Column layers, in horizontal straightness and flatness and especially in extent.
The Sahara. It's not quite done yet. It needs to get covered up and squished flat. Shouldn't take long.

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Faith 
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Message 2111 of 2887 (831645)
04-22-2018 2:55 PM
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04-22-2018 2:17 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Doesn't that make your analogy even more ridiculous?

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Faith 
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Message 2112 of 2887 (831646)
04-22-2018 2:58 PM
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04-22-2018 1:57 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Interesting. The paradigm problem is more difficult than even I had imagined. Obviously the only way to deal with this is just to ignore the conventional paradigm and elaborate the YEC paradigm. Elsewhere.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 2113 of 2887 (831647)
04-22-2018 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 2112 by Faith
04-22-2018 2:58 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Elsewhere.
Put it in the mail with the rent cheque.
Laughable.

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jar
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Message 2114 of 2887 (831648)
04-22-2018 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2112 by Faith
04-22-2018 2:58 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
Faith writes:
Interesting. The paradigm problem is more difficult than even I had imagined. Obviously the only way to deal with this is just to ignore the conventional paradigm and elaborate the YEC paradigm. Elsewhere.
Correct. You can only sell the YEC position to the willfully ignorant and dishonest.
Young Earth has no chance among people willing to learn or with even a small amount of honesty.

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Percy
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Message 2115 of 2887 (831649)
04-22-2018 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2042 by edge
04-19-2018 10:12 PM


Re: The Imaginary Fossil Order is a false interpretation
edge writes:
Bands and layers are not specific terms. When they are used they should be used only in a very site-specific situation. Saying "these layers" should refer to a definite location or picture. In a scientific sense, they are not even pertinent to this discussion.
Okay, thanks. I won't put any more effort into figuring out what Faith meant, unless she decides to explain.
--Percy

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