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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I never said that God doesnt do anything...where do you get this from?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You're taking the blame for everything bad that happens, aren't you?
I never said that God doesnt do anything...where do you get this from?
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You're taking the blame for everything bad that happens, aren't you? No, but I play a part. Whether humans have "original" or inborn tendencies to "sin" or not, we are in fact responsible for our actions and reactions. If Jesus does in fact absolve us of our sins, it does not mean that we are passive observers. You may assert that lacking evidence of Jesus role in the process God becomes spiritually impotent --a valid argument for an atheist/agnostic, I suppose. The bottom line, however, is that we become the decisions that we make. To be fair, I dont take all of the responsibility for anything bad that happens in my life nor do I take all of the credit for the good that is produced. Lets call it a communion. For me, it is between God and willing humanity. For you, it may simply be a communion among humanity. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
perhaps you have never been "crushed" yet.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: perhaps you have never been "crushed" yet. Can't say that I have. But also I have no idea what being crushed is and what it's got to do with this god thing. Why would god allow someone to be 'crushed?' Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sin?
Fuggitaboutit, it's none of your business.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Doesn't it? Where's the "communion" if we make our own decisions and Jesus/God decides to forgive us? Seems like two separate processes to me. If Jesus does in fact absolve us of our sins, it does not mean that we are passive observers.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I had to look up other peoples perspectives on this issue. In the final analysis, it is human consensus on whether or not God exists and our role as humans in the process of communion that takes place.
Faith Forum: Why does God let us make bad decisions? Of course, the way that I learned was that God took the sins of the world upon Himself so as to absolve us of the consequences...which were out of hand from the beginning.Critics (such as you) would argue that God caused the liability in the first place....almost like shooting someone and then becoming their Doctor to patch them back up! One could argue that no God is necessary in order for humans to experience challenges and setbacks in life...but the question then becomes whether or not God is ever actually necessary! You seem to have concluded that there is no evidence that a God exists, then commenting on the nature and character of the God whom humans market---insisting that the book (should)be taken seriously in order to indict the God within its pages.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
As I keep telling you, I see no evidence of a "communion". If God was important, why wouldn't there be some improvement in the people who think He's important?
You seem to have concluded that there is no evidence that a God exists.... Phat writes:
Characters like Jesus don't even exist outside its pages. Why cherry-pick what you like and ignore what you don't? ... insisting that the book (should)be taken seriously in order to indict the God within its pages.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: because the whole point (or idea) of a book is human interpretation and consensus of the topic within. What difference does it make if we interpret God the way we see Him today rather than simply go with the interpretation of thousands of years ago? Why cherry-pick what you like and ignore what you don't? I'm not saying we are any closer to the truth, but no further from it either.\ Go ahead...give Him your best shot. Invent/describe a God Who created all seen and unseen, chooses to basically leave us alone and let us "grow up", and is not directly responsible for evil.
Characters like Jesus don't even exist outside its pages. Perhaps not in your mind.Remember, evidence cannot count in these cases since the character that we are seeking is for all practical purposes invisible. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Go ahead...give Him your best shot. Invent/describe a God Who created all seen and unseen, chooses to basically leave us alone and let us "grow up", and is not directly responsible for evil. Why. Why give God a free pass? Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: In the final analysis, it is human consensus on whether or not God exists Eh? Cobblers. God exists or doesn't exist regardless of a human consensus or otherwise.
and our role as humans in the process of communion that takes place. This is just religious gobbledegook. I never understand any of this in-house jargon and I suspect no-one does - you just get used to spouting it. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Just took a look at this thread and find you wrongly imputing a quote to me again, this time something Phat said. How does this happen? I don't even think I've ever posted to this thread.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: Just took a look at this thread and find you wrongly imputing a quote to me again, this time something Phat said. How does this happen? I don't even think I've ever posted to this thread. My apologies, I've changed the post. Why does it happen? Probably because I'd just replied to a post you made and still have you in my head. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What consensus? That's the problem with making it up to suit yourself. No two people have the same interpretation.
because the whole point (or idea) of a book is human interpretation and consensus of the topic within. Phat writes:
How is that possible? Isn't evil part of "all seen and unseen"?
Go ahead...give Him your best shot. Invent/describe a God Who created all seen and unseen, chooses to basically leave us alone and let us "grow up", and is not directly responsible for evil. Phat writes:
Not in reality.
ringo writes:
Perhaps not in your mind. Characters like Jesus don't even exist outside its pages. Phat writes:
Evidence always counts. Remember, evidence cannot count in these cases since the character that we are seeking is for all practical purposes invisible. But you're missing the point. You believe in Jesus but the only place Jesus exists is in the Book. You choose to believe that part of the Book, but you throw away the parts you don't like. On what basis do you believe in the Jesus of the Bible but not the God of the Bible?An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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