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Coyote
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Message 2314 of 2887 (831947)
04-28-2018 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 2310 by Faith
04-27-2018 9:46 PM


Re: Faith indulges in misrepresention again
Don't misuse the ordinary term "believe" coyote. It isn't defined by religious belief and it certainly isn't a synonym for "wrong" as you like to use it. It describes your belief in radiometric dating just as it describes my belief that the strata were laid down by the Flood.

Except there is evidence for the former but not the latter. For the latter there is only belief.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Coyote
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Message 2345 of 2887 (831990)
04-28-2018 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 2318 by Faith
04-28-2018 2:08 AM


Re: Faith indulges in misrepresention again
The early geologists made up stuff that was patently unbiblical among other things.

Good for them!


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 2347 of 2887 (831992)
04-28-2018 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 2329 by Faith
04-28-2018 10:06 AM


Re: Faith indulges in misrepresention again
No, I do not have to disprove dating methods,

Sure you do.

all I have to do is show that the preponderance of evidence is against the Old Earth.

But it is not and your self-delusion doesn't change that.

I'm making headway.

No, you're not.

Eventually the dating methocs will be disproved.

The trend is in the other direction. The dating methods are being improved.

You all seem to forget that all science starts out knowing just about nothing. You can't expect a new investigation to have all the answers.

Nor do we do so. When a dozen or so different dating methods all point in the same direction and agree closely we tend to think we are on the right path. When no relevant facts contradict those results were become even more confident in the results.

When you bring up your imaginings all we can do is laugh.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Coyote
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Message 2367 of 2887 (832028)
04-28-2018 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 2365 by Faith
04-28-2018 9:58 PM


Re: The reality of dating
... states that 98% of dates are discarded.

Well, are they or aren't they? You don't say.

In my archaeological career I have submitted 713 radiocarbon dates, with four more going out this next week. I doubt if I have discarded more than a dozen, and that is only after submitting additional dates from that same provenience to see where the problem was.

One example--we had a vertical stack of abalone shells and the bottom shell provided a date that seemed too young by some hundreds of years. So, years later using more modern laboratory techniques we submitted two samples from the same stack just above the one that didn't seem right. Both dates came in about 700 years older, and just 27 years apart.

So we did discard a date but only when we had good reason to do so. And from that same site we now have a total of 13 dates, three of which are older than 4500 years.

So dating science isn't as sloppy as creationists hope and imagine it is. Not knowing much about science and dating they are free to make up nonsense, which seems to come pretty natural.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 2440 of 2887 (832124)
04-30-2018 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 2439 by Faith
04-30-2018 1:02 AM


Re: volcanoes
The one thing I know is true is that the Biblical worldwide Flood did occur about 4500 years ago. Everything else has to be subordinated to that.

Belief, pure belief.

The evidence shows otherwise.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Coyote
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Message 2501 of 2887 (832214)
04-30-2018 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 2498 by Faith
04-30-2018 11:34 PM


Re: Would the planet heat up too much?
If they can't make it make sense they shouldn't bring it up. They don't get to call themselves right without proving it.

The fact that you can't cope with facts and science doesn't make scientists wrong.

"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them think."


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Coyote
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Message 2669 of 2887 (832425)
05-03-2018 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 2653 by Faith
05-03-2018 11:49 AM


Re: no supergenome
Nothing changed genetically after the Flood,

This is true of the human genome as well. mtDNA is the same both before and after the purported date of the flood.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Coyote
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Message 2788 of 2887 (832595)
05-05-2018 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2758 by Tangle
05-05-2018 10:27 AM


Re: Why archaeologists have to dig
Have you never wondered why archaeologists have to dig? Their sites are even called digs. It's because everything on the land gets buried with time.

And not just on the land. Faith, you have to vacuum and dust your living quarters I presume. That is the reason that given a few hundred to a few thousand years Native American sites have a below-ground component.

Deny it all you like, but I have excavated probably over 100 sites in my career, and dated a good many of those. I have seen sites in excess of 26 feet deep. Some of that is material deposited by Native Americans, but some is natural--and we can tell the difference easily!

So, Faith, you are wrong again.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Coyote
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Message 2876 of 2887 (832756)
05-09-2018 1:58 PM


Science wins
Science wins because it is based on verifiable evidence rather than ancient tribal myths which have been disproved.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


  
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