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Faith 
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Message 76 of 198 (833185)
05-18-2018 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Tangle
05-18-2018 11:01 AM


Cut the ad hominems.
I would like to remind you that ad hominems are not considered valid argument. I won't answer your questions about my personal life, travel etc., that you keep asking because you are just pursuing the usual ad hominem here. Who I am is irrelevant, the argument is what you need to be addressing.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 77 of 198 (833186)
05-18-2018 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Faith
05-18-2018 10:38 AM


Re: Christianity cannot be trusted with any power or authority.
Of course I have proof Faith, just look at the history of education under the Iberian Caliphs.

Once you realize how ignorant you really are we can move on to the basic tenets of Taoism and Confucianism where a duty of any ruler was to see to the prosperity and education of the citizenry.

AbE:

A few other sites of learning

Edited by jar, : see AbE:


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Faith 
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Message 78 of 198 (833189)
05-18-2018 11:26 AM
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05-18-2018 11:18 AM


Re: Christianity cannot be trusted with any power or authority.
Please produce your evidence jar. Put it up on the board.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Tangle
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Message 79 of 198 (833190)
05-18-2018 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
05-18-2018 11:14 AM


Re: Cut the ad hominems.
Faith writes:

Who I am is irrelevant, the argument is what you need to be addressing.

Who you are is very relevant because where you stand affects what you can see.

When you speak about geology, molecular biology, palaeontology, evolution etc etc it's relevant to know whether you have any education or knowledge in those areas. We know you don't.

I'm interested in whether you have a passport - you don't of course - because had you ever travelled outside your tiny bubble you might have acquired a less caustic view of life outside your parochial little world.

quote:
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

Mark Twain


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith 
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Message 80 of 198 (833191)
05-18-2018 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Tangle
05-18-2018 11:36 AM


Re: Cut the ad hominems.
You know absolutely nothing about me, you have a lot of narrowminded bigoted views about who I am, and again it is absolutely irrelevant to the argument. The rule against ad hominem exists for a reason and your biased tiny mind can't change it just to suit your own narrowminded smallminded bias. If you object to the argument, answer the argument.

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Message 81 of 198 (833192)
05-18-2018 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Faith
05-18-2018 11:46 AM


Re: Cut the ad hominems.
Faith writes:

You know absolutely nothing about me, you have a lot of narrowminded bigoted views about who I am, and again it is absolutely irrelevant to the argument.

I know a lot about you Faith. I've been reading your stuff for years. Of course if I've got it all wrong and you have qualifications in the things you make claims about, it's easy to put me right. Similarly if you've travelled the world - and even travelled outside your own state - do tell.

The rule against ad hominem exists for a reason and your biased tiny mind can't change it just to suit your own narrowminded smallminded bias.

Hmm, that sounded almost like an ad hominen...

If you object to the argument, answer the argument.

I did answer your question - you just ignored it, as usual.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith 
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Message 82 of 198 (833193)
05-18-2018 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Tangle
05-18-2018 11:53 AM


Re: Cut the ad hominems.
I'll deal with my side of the argument, you deal with yours. Cut the ad hominems, they are off limits. The idea that you can tell anything about me because I'm a creationist is idiotically smallminded of you.

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jar
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Message 83 of 198 (833194)
05-18-2018 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Faith
05-18-2018 11:26 AM


Re: Christianity cannot be trusted with any power or authority.
I did Faith. I posted both the link and a summary of the content.

Learn how to read.


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Faith 
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Message 84 of 198 (833195)
05-18-2018 12:02 PM
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05-18-2018 12:01 PM


Re: Christianity cannot be trusted with any power or authority.
You need to post actual quotes that are reliable evidence. And you didn't supply a summary either.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Tangle
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Message 85 of 198 (833197)
05-18-2018 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
05-18-2018 11:56 AM


Re: Cut the ad hominems.
Faith writes:

The idea that you can tell anything about me because I'm a creationist is idiotically smallminded of you.

You can tell a lot about people from what they believe and in your case I quite obviously can tell a few things about you can't I?

Of course if I'm wrong you could always say so.

Meanwhile, you've ignored my answer again.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith 
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Message 86 of 198 (833198)
05-18-2018 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Tangle
05-18-2018 11:01 AM


Re: Christianity cannot be trusted with any power or authority.
But it's true that at least here in the UK religion had a large influence in education, particularly following the reformation. But its motives were not altruistic, they were to promote the Church's influence. 'Get them young.'

That's what I said. The point of promoting literacy was to establish Biblical knowledge among the people.

The church actively tried to prevent secular, state-based education - the last thing a religion wants is an enquiring mind and different answers than their own.

Of course, because society can only deteriorate without a Christian worldview to govern it. We're not talking "A religion" of course, we're talking the God who made it all.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith 
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Message 87 of 198 (833199)
05-18-2018 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Tangle
05-18-2018 12:16 PM


Re: Cut the ad hominems.
I lived the first 45 plus years of my life as a secular liberal who believed in evolution and had a good reputation among my intellectual friends. When I became a Christian and a YEC I didn't turn into somebody else.

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Tangle
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Message 88 of 198 (833200)
05-18-2018 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Faith
05-18-2018 12:17 PM


Re: Christianity cannot be trusted with any power or authority.
Faith writes:

The point of promoting literacy was to establish Biblical knowledge among the people.

Self-serving, political and an attempt to indoctrinate.

Of course, because society can only deteriorate without a Christian worldview to govern it. We're not talking "A religion" of course, we're talking the God who made it all.

Luckily the policy of indoctrination failed and the result is that with the decline of religion's power, secular society has made huge progress despite being utterly stagnant for a millenia under religious rule.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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jar
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Message 89 of 198 (833201)
05-18-2018 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Faith
05-18-2018 12:02 PM


Re: Christianity cannot be trusted with any power or authority.
Too funny Faith. We are not talking about quotes but rather facts. Lots of facts.

Lots and lots of facts.

Lets look at what I actually posted instead of your continuing misrepresentations and utter ignorance.

From Message 77

quote:
Of course I have proof Faith, just look at the history of education under the Iberian Caliphs.

The link is to an article on the education under the caliphs of the Iberian Peninsula and the summary explains that it is an article about that subject.

then there was (from the same message) :

quote:
A few other sites of learning

Another link and I even summarized it as "A few other sites of learning".

I understand you prefer remaining ignorant but I cannot do much more than providing you the opportunity to learn.

And as I said; once you realize how ignorant you really are and decide you would like to learn we can move on to the basic tenets of Taoism and Confucianism where a duty of any ruler was to see to the prosperity and education of the citizenry.


My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios     My Website: My Website

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Tangle
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Message 90 of 198 (833203)
05-18-2018 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Faith
05-18-2018 12:21 PM


Re: Cut the ad hominems.
Faith writes:

I lived the first 45 plus years of my life as a secular liberal who believed in evolution and had a good reputation among my intellectual friends.

I know, you've told us many times.

When I became a Christian and a YEC I didn't turn into somebody else.

The questions were about whether you have any education or a passport or if you've ever even travelled outside your state.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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