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ICANT
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Message 32 of 89 (833144)
05-17-2018 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Modulous
05-16-2018 12:21 PM


Re-Dark Matter
Hi Mod

Mod writes:

I see no evidence that Dark Matter does not have a natural source. Do you have something beyond your assertion on this?

Do you have any evidence that Dark Matter even exists?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 33 of 89 (833145)
05-17-2018 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by NoNukes
05-15-2018 9:38 PM


Re: Wow.
Hi NoNukes

NoNukes writes:

ICANT, could you field this one?

I got lost at 'However'.


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 35 of 89 (833152)
05-18-2018 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Modulous
05-17-2018 7:24 PM


Re: Re-Dark Matter
Hi Mod,

Mod writes:

Since evidence is that which increases the likelihood of a thing being true, this constitutes evidence that Dark Matter exists.

Nice work and sounds good. Only one problem you did not present any evidence Dark Matter exist.

But it is a fact that the universe needs something to hold the universe together so everything don't go flying into smaller pieces.

Just because you need Dark Matter does make it exist. With all the billions of dollars spent no one has found a particle that produce what is needed. Not one particle of the 80% has been found. Since it makes up 80% it should be easy to find.

Since energy and matter are interchangeable I would like to refer you to a verse of Scripture. I know you will not like it but it was written prior to 60 AD, almost 2,000 years ago.

quote:
Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.



The Greek word pronounced sün-ç'-stâ-mç means:
1.to place together, to set in the same place,to bring or band together.

In other words that is your Dark matter, which holds everything together.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 37 of 89 (833164)
05-18-2018 4:06 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Tangle
05-18-2018 2:52 AM


Re: Re-Dark Matter
Hi Tangle,

Tangle writes:

You are only able to talk about dark matter because science has revealed it,

What has been revealed?

quote:
(in some cosmological theories) nonluminous material that is postulated to exist in space and that could take any of several forms including weakly interacting particles ( cold dark matter ) or high-energy randomly moving particles created soon after the Big Bang ( hot dark matter ).
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=3If-WvvSDdDojw...

postulated past tense
meaning 1. suggest or assume the existence, fact, or truth of (something) as a basis for reasoning, discussion, or belief.

So based on an assumed fact you believe dark matter does exist.
That sound like religion to me.

Now if you got evidence present it.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 40 of 89 (833184)
05-18-2018 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Tangle
05-18-2018 4:42 AM


Re: Re-Dark Matter
Hi Tangel,

Tangel writes:

I have no opinion on dark matter, let alone believe in it. If science said tomorrow it was all an arithmetic error I couldn't care less. I read with interest what those that are working in the area are thinking and discovering, that's all.

But the math is correct. Something is required to keep the universe from flying apart.

So scientist came up with an invisible nonluminous material that makes up 80% of the universe. They then named it Dark Matter or Dark Energy.

I simply point out that the Bible recorded 2,000 years ago that God was what held the universe together and everything in it. You don't have to accept it or reject it. But you are free to do either, I just delivered the message.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 42 of 89 (833196)
05-18-2018 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Modulous
05-18-2018 10:17 AM


Re: Re-Dark Matter
Hi Mod,

Mod writes:

Dark Matter is about 27%. Let me know how one would go about finding something that is invisible.

quote:
In the standard Lambda-CDM model of cosmology, the total mass–energy of the universe contains 4.9% ordinary matter and energy, 26.8% dark matter and 68.3% of an unknown form of energy known as dark energy.

Wikipedia uses the 80% Dark Matter number.

Since energy and matter are interchangeable many references to dark matter contain both in one number.
But actually when you add the numbers together you get 95.1% of the universe is an unknown quantity. That should make it much easier to find. But the numbers vary depending on whose figures you use.

Either way they are looking for something that nobody has ever observed, and are without a clue as to what it is. Other than a force that keeps the universe at critical density (holds it together).

Mod writes:

Can you plug it into the equations and produce answers that correspond to observations?

Normal matter =4.9% of the critical density in the universe.
Leaving 95.1% of the universe of an unknown, quantity that is invisible, does not absorb light nor emit light and can not be observed.

I know that is probably too simple to satisfy you.

So let me say it another way.

You would say NM+DM+DE=critical density.

I say NM+GE=critical density.

Either of the two could be true or both could be false with another solution. We will not know until the experiment has been completed.

Mod writes:

'my God will enlighten my darkness.',"God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.".

Glory Hallelujah you have finally said something I can agree with 100%. I just hope you really believe what you said.

My God can do anything but fail. And He does have enough of a supply of energy to accomplish any task He desires to complete.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 43 of 89 (833205)
05-18-2018 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Tangle
05-18-2018 11:18 AM


Re: Re-Dark Matter
Hi Tangle,

Tangle writes:

Sadly it explains nothing except that someone we don't know wrote something useless.

Lets see: no one has seen dark energy or dark matter. No one knows what it is made of. They just know that something that is needed to keep the universe at critical density is require and has dreamed up what they call dark energy and dark matter.

You have not seen God nor do you know what He is made of. All we know is we need something to keep the universe at critical density.

How do you know God does not supply the energy and matter to produce a universe at critical density. Critical density has a very small variation from collapse to expansion. That variation is very small.

Tangle writes:

Now to get back to Higgs.

When I was first introduce to the Higgs boson it was called the God particle. That was like the particle Hawking called an instanton in that when it existed it would create a universe like the one we live in.

Seems now it is regulated to being like any other particle just a little harder to find than many were.

Since they found what they called the Higgs, I haven't heard of any new universes.

Tangle writes:

It seems that you have a model in your mind of god physically holding stuff together. I feel required to reject that concept until we can detect this particular god particle.

No Tangle I do not think my God has to go around holding the universe together physically. I believe He gave everything in the universe directions by natural laws that covers all those mundane jobs.

Mankind is the only thing God created that has stopped doing what God created him to do. Everything else continues on as programed.

There are no flukes, or mistakes, everything happens for a purpose.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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