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Message 97 of 198 (833221)
05-18-2018 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Faith
05-18-2018 12:52 PM


Re: Christianity cannot be trusted with any power or authority.
Faith writes:

Those are links, not evidence in your own words.

You really are ignorant of what evidence is. Amazing.

My own words are not evidence, the reality that the words point to is the evidence Faith.

Basics.

Edited by jar, : appaling spallin


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jar
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Message 100 of 198 (833227)
05-18-2018 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Faith
05-18-2018 2:52 PM


Re: Christianity cannot be trusted with any power or authority.
LOL

Sheesh you sure love being ignorant don't you.

This started because I stated the facts but you asked for more support for those statements. I provided the links that supported what I originally stated. If you wish to remain utterly ignorant you will succeed in being utterly ignorant; of read the information provided in the links.

Or maybe even learn very basic world history.

Back to the beginning just for Faith:

In Message 66 I posted:

quote:
You do realize that there is a difference between Harvard University and Harvard Divinity School? While the Divinity School is certainly part of the University it is only one part.

You do understand that education in the West was simply trying to catch up to the general education level found in the rest of the world, particularly the Muslim, Taoist, Buddhist nations?


You seemed to doubt at least the second of those facts so I provided the evidence to show that the Christian West far from driving general education was in fact simply trying to catch up to the rest of the world.

The evidence is that at the time the Christian West was in the Dark Ages and long before Christianity even existed there were societies with advanced education and learning institutions. There are even many examples of general literacy among civilizations that preceded Christianity.

Edited by jar, : see back to beginning


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Message 103 of 198 (833237)
05-18-2018 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Thugpreacha
05-18-2018 3:51 PM


Why was the Spirit such a miserable failure?
Phat writes:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but dont you believe that jar does not really understand the Spirit behind the Bible? That though he may read it literally, he remains ignorant of the GOD Who impressed it upon the minds of those who have an ear to hear?

How come that Spirit failed so miserably to ever get the story straight or avoid all the contradictions and factual errors present in what was written?


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Message 105 of 198 (833243)
05-18-2018 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Thugpreacha
05-18-2018 4:23 PM


Re: Why was the Spirit such a miserable failure?
Phat writes:

Perhaps because if it were done your way, people would simply have to believe. The facts and evidence would be there.

That does not answer the question. Why wasn't the Spirit capable of getting the flood story straight instead of two mutually exclusive stories? Why wasn't the Spirit capable of getting the order of creation right as well as the method of creation instead of inspiring two mutually exclusive stories? Why could'd the Spirit inspire one version of the Great Commandment or the Road to Damascus affair? Why could the Spirit decide on one set of stories to include in "The Bible" instead of versions with only five stories to versions with over eighty?

Why couldn't the God character put all the evidence in the order that matched what the Spirit was marketing?


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Message 107 of 198 (833249)
05-18-2018 5:02 PM
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05-18-2018 4:48 PM


Re: Why was the Spirit such a miserable failure?
Phat writes:

Why do virtually all of the apologists reconcile contradictions? Can we conclude that they are guided by the Spirit of Truth or perhaps the spirit of marketing, according to some critics? Willful ignorance is never recognized by that label in those whom it affects.

They don't reconcile the contradictions but only spatter nonsense that their Cult members believe.

Phat writes:

Why do some folks describe/define GOD as a creation of humanity? Why can't they reconcile what is written to what they believe?

Maybe because every example of God known seems to be a human creation? How do you reconcile the mutually exclusive descriptions as found in the actual writings like the God of Genesis 1 and the God of Genesis 2&3?


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Message 114 of 198 (833261)
05-18-2018 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by JonF
05-18-2018 6:24 PM


Re: Cut the ad hominems.
And Liberals.

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Message 131 of 198 (833396)
05-20-2018 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Faith
05-20-2018 5:23 PM


Re: Cut the ad hominems.
Faith writes:

Can't see the distinction between Allah who wants infidels murdered and offers no salvation, just endless futile attempts to be righteous which includes killing infidels, the Pope who wants infidels murdered and thinks salvation depends on being good or being in good standing with the Roman Church, and the Protestant God who died to save us from the inexorable Moral Law. Right, SO similar.

What we can see is that you are still simply posting falsehoods about the Roman Catholic Church, about Islam and about the Christian Cult you market.


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Message 133 of 198 (833400)
05-20-2018 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Faith
05-20-2018 5:29 PM


Re: Cut the ad hominems.
Faith writes:

Ah yes of course, couldn't be that you've bought the revisionist propaganda, it must be that everything I've read on the subject is a lie.

While the former is absolutely false the latter is very likely based on what you post and the sources you seem to use.

When your sources are from the Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty it will be difficult for anyone to take anything you post seriously.


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Message 138 of 198 (833415)
05-20-2018 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Faith
05-20-2018 7:09 PM


Re: Cut the ad hominems.
Faith writes:

There is nothing in the Bible that tells US to do anything but be good to our neighbors, while the Koran tells its readers to kill Christians and Jews.

That is another falsehood Faith. The Qur'an does not tell its readers to kill Christians and Jews.


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Message 148 of 198 (833425)
05-20-2018 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Faith
05-20-2018 8:08 PM


Re: It's in the hadiths, not the Koran, sorry
Faith: the point is that Islam and Islamic behavior does not justify Christian genocide.

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Message 155 of 198 (833445)
05-21-2018 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by Faith
05-21-2018 3:15 AM


Re: It's in the hadiths, not the Koran, sorry
Faith writes:

There is no such thing as Christian genocide.

Utter complete BULLSHIT Faith.

Christianity has a long, long history of forbidding other belief systems and forcing people to accept Christianity. When Native American children are removed from their culture and told they can no longer speak their language, wear their dress, visit their sacred sites, live on their land, eat their food then that is genocide.


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Message 156 of 198 (833446)
05-21-2018 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 154 by Faith
05-21-2018 3:19 AM


wrong again Faith
Faith writes:

The Magna Carta was a Christian inspiration long before the Constitution.

No Faith, the Magna Carta was not a Christian inspiration and did not give rights to the peoples; it gave some rights to the Barons but none to the people.

Faith writes:

The very idea of liberty derives from the Bible.

Then it should be easy for you to point to the passages from the in context so we can evaluate your assertion.


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Message 162 of 198 (833458)
05-21-2018 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by Faith
05-21-2018 10:18 AM


Re: wrong again Faith
Have you ever read the Magna Carta Faith or is it like the Bible; you just post the dogma of your Cult.

The US Constitution owes far more to the pagan Five Civilized Nations than to Christianity.


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Message 163 of 198 (833459)
05-21-2018 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Faith
05-21-2018 10:20 AM


Re: It's in the hadiths, not the Koran, sorry
Faith writes:

That is not genocide and I already agreed it was a bad idea the way it was done.

Only Roman Catholicism, which is a pagan idolatrous superstition, forced anyone to become a "Christian.".

That really is genocide Faith and your constant denial of reality still will not change reality.


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Message 167 of 198 (833463)
05-21-2018 10:48 AM
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05-21-2018 10:24 AM


Re: wrong again Faith
Faith writes:

That is sheer idiotic ignorance, pure revisionist Liberal Nazism.

Yes, Faith, it is genocide. And Roman Catholicism is a Christian sect and the Pope is a Christian and it does not matter how often you deny reality, reality wins.


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