Hi Mod,
Mod writes:
This period was between a millionth of a second and several minutes in.
What is the available evidence that took place when there was nothing but a hot mass of Plasma.
Mod writes:
The inflationary period was rapid expansion, but there was just a pretty uniform sea of energy at this point
But a sea of energy? Then why did you say in answer to a question say that fundamental particles already existed. Since I had misspelled particles you got it mixed up.
Mod writes:
1 second to several minutes is about halfway into that diagram - as you can see the expansion is much slower here than at the left most area representing time before 10-32 seconds. In that very early state - there were no raisins.
yea the earth did not exist so there was no place for grape vines to grow. Thus no grapes to dry and make raisins. But I was using the raisins to represent the smallest whatever was there.
Beautiful drawing too bad the white circle is the only part that represents what was happening.
The part that says Inflation should be a circle around the white big bang circle. The part that says protons formed should be a circle around the Inflation circle. The part that says Nuclear fusion begins should be a circle around the protons formed circle. The part that says nuclear fusion ends should be a circle around the nuclear fusion begins circle. The part that says cosmic microwave background should be a circle around the nuclear fusion ends circle . This circle would represent 380,000 years. No atoms has formed at this time.
I would like to see the empirically derived evidence to support any of the claims prior to the 380,000 years after big bang.
Mod writes:
Naturally it may or not be true - but it's not an assumption, its an empirically derived fact. It is much closer to reality than your raisin notion.
This declaration is in response to the following statement that you had made.
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2) The density of particles and the energy involved show nucleus formation is almost certain to happen. The probability that it would not happen is so low that it can be discounted.
But all information I can find says nucleus formed after the 380,000 year mark. Where the visible universe begins.
Mod writes:
Exactly. There are no raisins, or particles at this time. It goes on to say:
Yes, no raisins as there was no earth with grape vines to grow grapes to dry making raisins.
Mod writes:
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According to NASA, after inflation the growth of the universe continued, but at a slower rate. As space expanded, the universe cooled and matter formed. One second after the Big Bang, the universe was filled with neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons, photons and neutrinos.
What mechanism caused the inflation/expansion to slow down.
Sir Roger Penrose says cosmic inflation is a fantasy.
Roger Penrose: Cosmic Inflation Is 'Fantasy' - Science Friday
Where is any empirical evidence to support NASA'S assertion about neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons, photons and neutrinos?
Mod writes:
See that? A slower rate.
Yes I think Hubble discovered that back in the 1920's. But what slowed it down and when did it slow down?
I know what NASA claims. But my claim God did it has just as much empirical evidence.
Mod writes:
Not sub-atomic particles. There were none at that time. You have to look at the time there were some.
But NASA had neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons, photons and neutrinos already existing. Which if they existed the space between them would expand over 900 feet every 1 millionth of a second.
Mod writes:
Yes, we know. But that has nothing to do with whether atoms could form during the period after this. In order to understand this - we have to understand what the density of 'raisins' was at this time, what the energies involved were and the rate of expansion etc.
But I think it would affect whether atoms could form.
Atoms are formed from the sub-atomic particles I was talking about the space expanding between that you said did not exist yet. Atoms are formed by positive charged protons, no charge neutrons, and negatively charged electrons. The protons and neutrons form the nucleus.
These have to get together to form a atom. If there is 900 feet between each of them, what mechanism would get them together to be able to form an atom?
All the expansion required to put 900 feet between them would only take 1 millionth of a second.
ModIf you want to use the raisin analogy, think of it like this. At first there are no individual raisins. Just a uniform raisinesque goop. It rapidly expands and then slows down its expansion. Then individual raisins start to break away from the goop. They are still very densely packed. The space between them is not expanding faster than they are able to move.
But the raisins don't move anywhere. The space expands between them. What would cause the expansion to slow down?
Mod writes:
A phase transition of dark energy.
How would dark energy if it exists slow down expansion?
No body knows anything about dark energy, or if it even exists.
Mod writes:
That's the universe as you imagine it - but that's not what the evidence actually tells us. It might be true, but it seems increasingly likely that it is not.
How would you get any other configuration?
Maybe you need to explain how expansion works.
Does it expand in every direction equally?
If not what causes it to do anything else?
Mod writes:
Well, if you want to criticize the model, you have to use the model. Not your model. The model cosmologists use very strongly points towards the notion that there is no edge.
I thought the universe had a fabric around it?
What does having no edge have to do with the shape of the universe.
The earth does not have an edge, neither does our sun or moon
There are 3 pictures and one of them is supposed to be the shape of the universe.
One is a rectangular sheet which would have 4 edges.
One is a rectangular sheet which is curved like a saddle and has 4 edges.
The other is a sphere which has no edges.
The one I talk about is the sphere which has no edges.
I have never figured out how we could get inside either of the other two. As there is no depth to them like a sheet of paper.
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