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NoNukes
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Message 827 of 1482 (833727)
05-25-2018 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 826 by GDR
05-25-2018 7:55 PM


Re: Meaning of life
Again, I put it that way as I know the conclusion that I draw is not confirmed by absolute evidence.
I'm really not complaining about the lack of evidence at all. I am complaining about a defense of an assertion that something is "more logical" by nothing more than "it seems that way to me".
A more accurate statement (in my opinion) is that your conclusion resonates with you. You don't seem to be saying anything more than that in your response to me.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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NoNukes
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Message 833 of 1482 (833733)
05-25-2018 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 831 by Faith
05-25-2018 8:47 PM


Re: Your misrepresentations
Faith writes:
Merely stating that you think I'm talking about Catholics rather than Catholicism is the problem
Quote:
Faith writes:
Catholics in Catholic countries are still as illiterate and superstitious and misguided as ever, and persecution of Protestants still happens in those countries
No commentary needed.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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NoNukes
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Message 838 of 1482 (833739)
05-26-2018 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 834 by Faith
05-25-2018 10:34 PM


Re: Your misrepresentations
That isn't even about Catholics as Christians
My comments did not mention anything about Catholics as Christians. All I said was that I would not address what you said about Catholics. Then you ran yourself off the rails claiming that you never said anything about Catholics as Christians for some unknown reason. (By the way, that post was deleted by Phat before I ever saw it. I did not know what it was about until you told me.) Well, it turns that you did exactly what I said you did. And I did not dig out a random quote of you talking about Catholics. That quote is from the same discussion where I made my perfectly appropriate comment.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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NoNukes
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Message 840 of 1482 (833741)
05-26-2018 1:02 AM
Reply to: Message 839 by ICANT
05-26-2018 12:51 AM


Re: Difference in 2D &3D objects
I can draw a blue print and it will give me the cost to build what is on the print to the penny.
The program estimates the cost and gives numbers to the precision of one penny (or less). No program can give a cost that is actually accurate to the nearest penny for a project of anything other than the simplest complexity.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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NoNukes
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Message 849 of 1482 (833773)
05-26-2018 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 843 by ICANT
05-26-2018 3:58 AM


Re: Difference in 2D &3D objects
he only thing that would change the cost would be changes to the plan or some idiot sawing up a bunch of material wrong.
Are material costs the only expenditures in a large project? And when you say "sawing up a bunch of material wrong", you imply that there is only one way to saw up material correctly for a large project. Is that accurate? What if small amounts of material are sawed differently than expected? Would that make small changes in the cost? So perhaps "a bunch" is not correct. Is the number of nails required exactly predictable? The amount of glue? The difficulty of digging into the ground? Isn't the cost of making a large foundation always an estimate? Does weather affect the completion time and the hours spent? Is the weather accurately predictable using any computer program?
Yes, I imagine you can get the cost of Fido's house exactly from your program. But then nobody would buy a multi-thousand dollar piece of software for that. But the cost of adding an addition to your own house? That is going to be a close estimate at best. In fact, for projects where you can justify spending nearly 10 grand on the software, you are going to get an estimate and nobody will care if that estimate is a 1000 dollars off.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 850 of 1482 (833786)
05-26-2018 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 848 by Faith
05-26-2018 11:45 AM


Re: Your misrepresentations
after I had taken pains to say I'm not talking about Catholics, I'm not talking about people
As I demonstrated, those pains you said you took were not successful. You made comments about Catholics, and now you are blaming me for noticing.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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NoNukes
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Message 856 of 1482 (833817)
05-27-2018 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 855 by caffeine
05-26-2018 4:00 PM


Re: Speed of Light vs. Expansion of the Universe
Why would you expect that anyone would ever be able to explain this to a child?
I think I could explain a lot of this stuff to a child if his questions were honest and not an attempt not to avoid the point. In ICANT's case, more effort has been spent unteaching wrong stuff than in teaching things.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 863 of 1482 (833877)
05-27-2018 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 859 by ICANT
05-27-2018 2:07 PM


Re: Speed of Light vs. Expansion of the Universe
I like to think of myself as having an open mind. But there are some things where my mind is closed on some things. But those things can be changed if there is evidence to refute what I base my belief on.
I don't want to change your mind. That is not possible. You believe that the Bible says something different than what the Big Bang theory says, and I am perfectly happy with you continuing to hold that belief. All I would want is that you understand what people are saying and why they say it. I would appreciate it if your criticisms and arguments made even the least bit of sense.
If you'd like me to provide a list of your arguments that reveal poor faith, just ask.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 876 of 1482 (834160)
05-31-2018 12:13 PM


Watching the twisting and turning about the flood is interesting. But isn't the topic Creation? There are lots of flood threads.
Just sayin...

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


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Message 878 of 1482 (834337)
06-03-2018 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 877 by ICANT
06-03-2018 4:27 PM


Re: Speed of Light vs. Expansion of the Universe
Maybe to your satisfaction, but not mine.
This may be a situation where a lack of communication creates the illusion of bad faith.
You ask a question and get an answer. You are not satisfied with the answer. A great way to handle such a situation is to ask a different question. If instead you simply repeat the question as if there had been no response, it looks like a silly game rather than an attempt to communicate.
Let me cite an example. You asked several times about raisins and refused to accept the answer that the stickiness of the raisins mattered. Instead of pretending that you had won the debate, wouldn't it have been better to pursue that issue?
Quite frankly though, my own impression is that you don't want to resolve the issue. You are trying to win rather than to understand.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 893 of 1482 (834449)
06-06-2018 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 892 by ICANT
06-06-2018 12:37 AM


Re: shapes
According to the standard theory did the universe begin as a very small, very hot, very dense pin point sized object ?
Define "object." Is a bunch of energy an object?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 895 of 1482 (834452)
06-06-2018 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 894 by ICANT
06-06-2018 1:08 PM


Re: shapes
The entity that existed was electrons in the form of plasma.
If that is wrong I am sure you will correct me.
Even the term entity is problematic. There may have been a bunch of electrons. There may have been quarks and certainly, there was energy. The energy was likely in a number of forms including kinetic energy of the particles (heat), electromagnetic radiation, and potential energy based on whatever forces were present. I don't believe it is possible to state things any more accurately than that.
I have no idea where your certainty about what existed comes from. We don't know the physics at time T=0, so we cannot state a really specific answer based on science and certainly, your speculation about electrons and plasma does not have a Biblical source.
The reason for nit-picking the word "entity" or "object" is to avoid follow up questions based on assumptions about raisins. During the expansion, the energy would have thinned out, producing cooling, but it does not make sense to say that the energy became separated, particularly because during, that first 300,000 years, the universe was opaque to light.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 897 of 1482 (834458)
06-06-2018 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 896 by Modulous
06-06-2018 2:31 PM


Re: shapes
It could have been infinite
I don't believe that is a possibility for the early, pre-inflationary universe.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 900 of 1482 (834463)
06-06-2018 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 899 by Modulous
06-06-2018 3:32 PM


Re: shapes
Removed post.
This was just flat out wrong, so I removed it.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 904 of 1482 (834490)
06-06-2018 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 898 by ICANT
06-06-2018 3:07 PM


Re: Speed of Light vs. Expansion of the Universe
There would be space between every electron.
If that space expanded at 186,000 miles per second that would put 186,000 miles between each electron.
You need to figure out a way to slow down the rate of expansion the space was expanding
Hasn't you already received explanations of why this is wrong? Have you rebutted those explanations yet? This is yet another example of your arguing in bad faith.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT

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