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Author Topic:   Christian principles in relation to government
JonF
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Message 5 of 84 (833833)
05-27-2018 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
05-27-2018 4:08 AM


And taxes benefiting the rich are for the purpose of increasing the prosperity of the nation.
Republicans say they are for the purpose of increasing the prosperity of the nation. Of course, politicians never lie.
The facts are that no tax cut since WWII has paid for itself, and no tax cut directly benefiting almost exclusively the rich has increased the prosperity of the nation.
Every prediction liberals made about the effect of Trump's tax cuts has come true. Companies are using them to buy back massive amounts of stock, benefiting the top brass only. Companies are not using them to pay large dividends to their stockholders... how much dividend-paying stock do you own? Companies are not using them to create jobs at any increased rate. Rich people are not job creators except insofar as they affect companies.
Here's the rate of job creation from 2008 to 2018. Trump has had no effect:
How Is Big Business Using the Trump Tax Cut? What We Know
Tax cut savings flow to company stockholders, trickle to hourly workers

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JonF
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Message 11 of 84 (833842)
05-27-2018 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by jar
05-27-2018 11:14 AM


Re: Lets frame this topic
1) What do you personally see as Trumps greatest contributions towards protecting the United Staes from globalism? Is globalism inevitable eventually?(Revelation speaks of a one world government)
What is Globalism?
To many, its Jooz.

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JonF
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Message 15 of 84 (833848)
05-27-2018 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Faith
05-27-2018 12:23 PM


Re: Let's keep the topic general
I know there is plenty of conservative economic theory that supports Trump's thinking
There's 100% of real-world results that do not support Trump's thinking.
And as the articles I posted bear out, this one is no different.
It ought to be clear enough as a general statement that taxing the rich so high they take their businesses to other countries doesn't benefit the nation, and it ought to be common sense that policies that are top-heavy on the side of supporting welfare programs without an increase in sources of wealth doesn't benefit the nation either.
A very simplistic view. No, it's not obvious and history refutes you. Clinton raised taxes. What was the economy like? The taxes on the rich were over 90% in the 1950s. How did the economy do then?
This is really a very complex question with lots of disagreement. But one thing is clear: Trump's tax cuts are a windfall for the rich and will have almost no effect on the middle class and the poor.
It appears that any benefit to the middle class will be canceled by higher gas prices.

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JonF
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Message 70 of 84 (834005)
05-29-2018 3:50 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Faith
05-28-2018 9:30 PM


Trump lied. There is no law. It never happened under Obama. It's purely a Trump administration policy.
Lord, you're gullible.

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