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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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It's a great subject and I think an important one but perhaps couched poorly.
Christianity has always been a political force as well as a theological path. There is no such thing as a True Christian and never has been; never will be. The Pope and the Evangelical Fundamentalist are both equally Christians. Jesus was never a Christian; he was born, lived and died a Jew. But then the OP falls into a whole series of absolutely silly ass assertions that are total misrepresentations of reality.
Faith writes: As he said recently, a nation can't be a nation without borders, but the left wants to destroy borders and destroy nations as a result, particularly the United States. That is a classic example of misrepresentation as well as the basic dishonesty that is the core foundation of Donald Trump. No one on either side of the political spectrum wants to destroy borders or nations. Nor is there any evidence that that is the case.
Faith writes: And taxes benefitting the rich are for the purpose of increasing the prosperity of the nation. And there is another utter absurdity that cannot be supported by reason, logic or reality. The concept of the prosperity of the nation is another of those meaningless bumper sticker disconnected from reality dogmatic slogan so beloved by many. It is irrelevant whether or not the nation is prosperous; what is relevant is whether or not the individuals living in the nation have food, clothing, shelter, safety, health care.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: 1) What do you personally see as Trumps greatest contributions towards protecting the United Staes from globalism? Is globalism inevitable eventually?(Revelation speaks of a one world government) What is Globalism?
Phat writes: 2) What doctrines and/or beliefs of the Left challenge Christianity? HUH? Christians cannot be liberals? Wasn't there someone who said we should feed the hungry, clothe the naked, protect the weak, comfort the sorrowful, heal the sick ...?
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: based on that logic, anyone throwing a frisbee or playing softball on the weekend qualifies as an athlete simply because they say they are. The fact is that an athlete must train and discipline themselves to earn the title. Same with Christians. The controversy is as to whether one can simply claim the title or whether they must actually earn it. Bullshit Phat, total Bullshit. It is not a matter of claiming a title in my case although that is the norm in the Christian Cult of Ignorance. When you are officially received and enrolled into a recognized chapter of a recognized organization and maintained on the membership roles, you are not simply declaring oneself to earn the title. That ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is what the Christian Cult of Ignorance does. They proclaim themselves as Christians.
Phat writes: You have read the Bible, so that scores points, but you also publically have no prayer life apart from ritual, and no discipline apart from doing for the least of these, which also scores points. That and you belong to a club and thus have the credentials. Too funny Phat.
quote: Prayer is not something that is said or proclaimed but rather lived.
Phat writes: My point is that there are many who claim the title of Christian (as did Adolph Hitler) but the evidence shows that they are undisciplined, do not pray or rarely acknowledge God, and use the title to further their own agenda. But Hitler WAS a Christian.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: Also Trump is more of a nationalist, IIRC. Trump is more a Fascist. Are you really totally blind to what happens here in the US?
quote: sourceTrump Administration had just placed sanctions on ZTE because ZTE had been making illegal shipments to Iran and North Korea. Then Trump turns around and lifts those sanctions to save Chinese jobs. Reality Phat. Now once again. What is globalism?
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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As well as creating medicare and medicaid and making it possible for women to go out without wearing a hat and gloves and for black folk to drink at the fountain and eat at the counter and ride in the front of the bus and not have to step off the sidewalk to make way for white folk and ...
you know. All those things the liberal Nazis did to folk.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: But wouldn't logic suggest that in order to provide all of those essentials, individuals would have to be somewhat prosperous in order to share? You cant expect a poor man to give his last two mites to feed another poor family. What does that have to do with what I posted and what you quoted.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: Will current administrative policies help national prosperity? Why or why not and why do you think national prosperity is a "bumper sticker" slogan? If Christian principles include helping the poor while I myself am poor, I might have been so inclined to elect a leader who would make my wallet great again. You still have not explained what "National Prosperity" means Phat. The US is without a doubt a wealthy nation. here is empty space and wind and oil and timber and minerals and coal and hydroelectric sources for poser. But what does that mean to YOU? If someone comes in you store and says "The Nation is Prosperous" when you ask for payment does that count? Or do you prefer that you get money? It is what the wealth provides that is important not how much wealth there is. If all the wealth goes to corporations who then move the money out of the US, will that help you? If (as it seems to be in the US) that more and more of the wealth is gathered into fewer and fewer hands, will that help you? If the Supreme Court extends the recent decision banning the right of individuals to create a class action lawsuit and instead submit to individual arbitration gets extended to cover the right of workers to band together to bargain as a class, will that help you? "National Prosperity" just like "A living Jesus" simply fits on a bumper sticker but means whatever the reader wants it to mean. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You seemed to have skipped over this:
quote: You are following the recent SCOTUS rulings I imagine?
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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And they aren't Christians, they are Roman Catholics.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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NoNukes writes: Trump is either a liar or an idiot. That seems a false dichotomy. The evidence seems to show he is an idiot and a liar and a boor and a fascist with none of Mussolini's graces.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Ever hear of Alternative Facts?
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
quote: The really sad thing is that is an accurate analysis of his support base.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
quote: The really sad thing is that is an accurate analysis of his support base.
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