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Author Topic:   AntiGod education should not be compulsary (even for non wealthy)
simple 
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Message 31 of 281 (83427)
02-05-2004 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Brian
02-05-2004 9:09 AM


why not?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It's broke!

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simple 
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Message 32 of 281 (83429)
02-05-2004 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Dr Jack
02-05-2004 10:09 AM


..Well clearly if your PHYSICS lecturer tells you something about BIOLOGY you should take his word for it over what a BIOLOGIST tells you.
Actually, if Bio teach has swallowed much of the 'we crawled out of a pond, and grew legs' faire, you'd be much better off rejecting their advice!

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Dan Carroll
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Message 33 of 281 (83431)
02-05-2004 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by simple
02-05-2004 3:07 PM


quote:
The results! (poor kids brought up with no clue, no hope, no right or wrong etc.)
That's sad.
Oh, not the idea of kids having no clue, hope, or sense of right and wrong. I mean the idea that kids are such brain-dead little snots that they wouldn't be able imagine these concepts once they've learned that populations undergo biological change over time.
Really sad.
quote:
Also, I might feel better if evolution was taught as supernatural, as it is a faith based religion of unbelief in God.
I would definitely feel better if Eliza Dushku would come to my apartment and sleep with me right now, as I am the most attractive man in the world, and she is the most attractive woman.
What? We are playing a game of "saying it makes it so", right? Okay then, I am not only going to sleep with Eliza Dushku, I also have ten billion dollars.

"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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simple 
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Message 34 of 281 (83432)
02-05-2004 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by MrHambre
02-05-2004 11:18 AM


my opinion
.. It is a theory which holds nor religious principles or doctrine.
2. It deals with biology alone. Any learning of the theory shows us this, as you probably know.
3. It is based on "Theory" in the scientific sense of the word, and as we all know scientific theory
is/can be negotiated, whereas religion cannot be amongst the religious
The theory it seems to me always has, since it's hatching, an agenda to paint God out of the picture. That's not "biology" it's well called "religion" It's not based on science, but science falsely so called, some would say. --As far as it "can be negotiated" I can tell you it can't, in the sense that they must stick to their 'charter' of leaving the Creator out of the picture.

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simple 
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Message 35 of 281 (83433)
02-05-2004 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by NosyNed
02-05-2004 11:20 AM


true!
Is there an correlation between lower levels of education and belief in creationism perhaps? The
more generally ignorant you are the more you are inclined to believe?
Well, you said it, how inclined to believe in evolution are you?

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simple 
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Message 36 of 281 (83436)
02-05-2004 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Abshalom
02-05-2004 1:11 PM


Re: Better Late Than Never
Not in public schools for sure. Sunday schools
and on the History Channel seems like good places to me
May I humbly suggest that since the vast majority of Americans believe in a Creator (Yes Jesus as well, most of them!) That any compulsary education reflect that. So, then, pagans and others MINORITIES could pay well to have some private tutorage! The seperation of church and state, I think is becoming obvious now, that the (mostly Christian) founders had in mind was more of a -let's not have one denomination, or church control the whole thing-. Not that the -nation under God- should force paganistic theory and doctrine on helpless children.

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Cthulhu
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Message 37 of 281 (83439)
02-05-2004 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by simple
02-05-2004 3:34 PM


MOSTLY CHRISTIAN?!
MOSTLY CHRISTIAN?! MOSTLY CHRISTIAN?!
Almost every single one of the founding fathers were Deists.

Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!

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simple 
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Message 38 of 281 (83441)
02-05-2004 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Dan Carroll
02-05-2004 3:20 PM


change
once they've
learned that populations undergo biological change over time
Does someone think godly science doesn't understand such things? The difference is the degree of change--man didn't change from a tadpole.
--We are playing a game of "saying it makes it so", right?--
Well, people who came to the new land departed from a situation where they could not believe as God them them light to see it. Also in the world's oldest book, where it talks of the future, we can get a good glimpse of how it will be. "All thy children shall be taufgt of the Lord" So I'd say evolution's days are certainly numbered!

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mike the wiz
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Message 39 of 281 (83442)
02-05-2004 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by simple
02-05-2004 3:22 PM


Re: my opinion
Is this reply meant to be for me?
The theory it seems to me always has, since it's hatching, an agenda to paint God out of the picture.
I think the uneducated layman evo might take use of the TOE in this wrongful way, but mostly the TOE is only biological and scientific. It can seem like an atheistic dream come true, but the actual theory seems to only speak scientifically.
Remember, there are lots of people who are believers in God and the theory.

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NosyNed
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Message 40 of 281 (83444)
02-05-2004 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by simple
02-05-2004 3:26 PM


Belief vs Accept
Believe is something you do without evidence (at least in the context we are discussing within).

Common sense isn't

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Message 41 of 281 (83445)
02-05-2004 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by simple
02-05-2004 3:44 PM


Re: change
So I'd say evolution's days are certainly numbered!
Well, you've shown no sign of being someone who is going to make a dent. You have to actually understand what you are attacking before you have much chance of succeeding.
Since you seem to think that the full breadth from tadpole to man is wrong perhaps you could find the macro and micro evolution discussion threads and put your case forward.
this one might be appropriate:
http://EvC Forum: Question....(What is difference between micro and macro evolution?

Common sense isn't

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Message 42 of 281 (83446)
02-05-2004 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by simple
02-05-2004 3:44 PM


Re: change
Also in the world's oldest book, where it talks of the future, we can get a good glimpse of how it will be. "All thy children shall be taufgt of the Lord"
The Epic of Gilgamesh says that? Well, I'll be durned!

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Dan Carroll
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Message 43 of 281 (83459)
02-05-2004 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by simple
02-05-2004 3:44 PM


Re: change
quote:
Does someone think godly science doesn't understand such things?
I couldn't tell ya. If I run into any gods on the way back from work, I'll be sure to ask them.
You, on the other hand, seem to be a little confused. Read through the threads here. Absorb knowledge. Then, once you understand it, argue it if you still disagree.
quote:
Well, people who came to the new land departed from a situation where they could not believe as God them them light to see it. Also in the world's oldest book, where it talks of the future, we can get a good glimpse of how it will be. "All thy children shall be taufgt of the Lord" So I'd say evolution's days are certainly numbered!
I've also got a pony, and an army of killer robots, and a full run of Jack Kirby Fantastic Fours...
Wow, this game is fun!

"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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hitchy
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Message 44 of 281 (83466)
02-05-2004 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by simple
02-05-2004 3:22 PM


Re: my opinion
remember, opinions are like assholes...
anyway...
quote:
The theory it seems to me always has, since it's hatching, an agenda to paint God out of the picture. That's not "biology" it's well called "religion" It's not based on science, but science falsely so called, some would say.
1) evolution makes no claims on the supernatural. darwin did not come up with evolution and natural selection b/c he wanted to do away with god! the evidences he gathered (transitional fossils, homologous structures, variations within populations, etc.) along with our more recent genetic evidences are solid fact. the theory of evolution and its related theories provide the best explanation for these facts. no where does evolution say, "there is no god". that type of claim is outside the realm of science.
2) as stated above, science inherently limits itself to the natural world. as a great example of science, evolution also limits itself to dealing with the natural world and natural phenomena. quit trying to call one of the most robust scientific theories we have religious. it is inherently areligious and makes no religious claims. notice that i didn't say antireligious, although you will most likely paint this post as that.
quote:
As far as it "can be negotiated" I can tell you it can't, in the sense that they must stick to their 'charter' of leaving the Creator out of the picture.
3) of course evolution leaves a supernatural "creator" out of the picture. evolution is science, and as stated above, science does not deal with the supernatural.

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hitchy
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Message 45 of 281 (83468)
02-05-2004 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by simple
02-05-2004 3:44 PM


i think 14gipper has lost it!
what proof do you have that the bible is the world's oldest book?
evolution's days have been numbered for the past 154 years. if thousands, if not millions, of scientists over the years have only added to the strength of evolution, what makes you think you will bring it down with innuendo, slander, lies, and the rest of your BS?
your assertions merely smack of hubris on your part.

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