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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
By the way, I read the article and it was worth the time. Thanks to Pollux's advice I was able to print it out so I'll be reading it too.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I keep getting these new desktop images thanks to Windows 10, I suppose most people do, and a lot of them are scenes of rocky beaches and that sort of thing. Today's is a lighthouse on a giant rock somewhere. These images often have a desolate feeling to me although I think they are supposed to evoke the beauty of nature. Your avatar has you, I assume that's you, overlooking a vast desert like place, yes? Same kind of feeling about the environment. These and many similar images of planet Earth have come to speak loudly of the Flood to me. Waste spaces, uninhabitable places, what's left after a huge catastrophe destroyed the world. Badlands are an example, but also the interesting ones like the hoodoos, the buttes of Monument Valley, the Grand Staircase, the Grand Canyon. All of it speaks to me of something that was formerly perfect now ruined. All the geological phenomena you study seem to have that characteristic of some form of wreckage. There is often still beauty in these things, but I've come to think that we're looking at the devastated remains of what must originally have been a spectacular beauty and order now utterly lost.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
According to you all that was ruined to form those features was featureless horizontal sediment full of dead things. Hardly perfect. According to you it was not the Flood but the run-off from it that carved these features, even when it makes no sense at all. The Grand Canyon with its sinuous form being a prime example. Weird. All I'm talking about is what the world looks like now, and it looks ruined to me almost everywhere I look. Of course I live on a desert but I also see it in cliffs and rocky beaches and craggy mountains and really just about everywhere. Perhaps someone else might see what I mean. The strata full of dead things are just one facet of what the Flood did; why would you think I consider that "perfect" anyway? THAT makes no sense.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well I read enough of your post to know I have no interest in answering any of it. I'm at the point where I sometimes repeat some things because I don't want them to get lost but otherwise disagree with so much of the nonsense here I don't have any interest in addressing it any more except for that purpose, to keep certain ideas on the table that I take seriously even in the teeth of the craziness here. Every now and then I may have something more to say. Meanwhile sorry but that's the way it is these days.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm talking about contacts where there is no visible sign whatever of a layer that is assumed to have been there and eroded away based on belief in the Time Scale and not based on actual evidence. If there is some of that layer present that's a different situation. Why are you going on about this?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The incremental changes necessary between any of the reptilian forms and any of the mammalian forms are astronomically impossible. I base this on the fossil ear designs that have bgeen presented here, the differences between them requiring incremental changes that could not possibly happn on the trial and error basis that would have to lead from one to the other. The so-called transitionals are, first of all, nowhere near the number required even according to Darwin to show evolution from one species to another, but 2) they are not transitionals but variations on one Kind that are built into the genome. Huge variations are possible through the mere built-in genetic material that couldn't possibly evolve from one to another by incremental changes through the trial and error method even given hundreds of millions of years. The design has to be there or it can't happen, and the design exists only in the genome of a particular Kind. I understand how persuasive this poor creationist found all that evolutionist material but he was duped, as are the evolutionists.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Communication here is so absurdly impossible even the Twilight Zone doesn't express it.
Nobody has a clue what the preFlood world actually was like so I can't possibly be saying exactly WHAT was ruined, all I know is that this world looks like a gigantic wreck. That's all I'm saying. The strata are a clue to the Flood that did it, there is no evidence left anywhere of what the original Creation was really like since all its parts have been scattered.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There is no evidence left of the perfection of the original Creation, I'm assuming it. What I actually see is wreckage, period.
And the strata certainly are evidence of the Flood.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
pollen and fossils are evidence of the pre-Flood world.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No evidence left of the original Creation, alas, unless someone else might be able to piece it together from the ruins, though I can't, but there is plenty of evidence of the Flood itself.
I thought perhaps if you quietly pondered the work you do you might also see the wreckage I'm talking about. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Surely it is clear that to get from one species to another would require lots and lots of transitionals and lots and lots and lots of trial and error before the right combinations show up, and this would have to happen increment by increment. You don't get from a two chambered reptilian ear design to the three chambered mammalian ear in which the parts are in different positions from the mammalian ear unless the genetic design is already present but it isn't, so it would have to be formed by genetic trial and error increment by increment. Isn't that what makes all those millions upon millions of years necessary? Otherwise variations that are built in happen in a matter of generations. I notice you don't bother to describe the process you must think is more efficient.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Most of the fossil things you mention are explainable on the Flood model and those that aren't will be eventually.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Volcanic ash above the Grand Canyon would have probably settled on the Flood water which was in the first stages of receding, and/or been washed away with the strata above the Grand Canyon which were at least two miles deep. In fact most of the volcanoes would probably have occurred under water or at least their contents would have landed in the water and been carried away as it receded. Something like that.
Please understand that my theories about the Flood are a work in progress, but I do continue to like my current idea about the timing of the continental split with the receding of the Flood. I'm sure there were many things going on that can't be guessed at. One thing that might have had a dampening effect on the worldwide effects of the volcanism is the ice age which most likely immediately followed the Flood, something to do with warmer oceans and colder land mass according to some creationist source I read. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
t has struck me that the Biblical narrative makes to mention of the flood affecting anything other than drowning all the air breathers except those on the ark. After submerging the land areas for about a year, the waters receded and everything was again ready for the ark survivors. No consideration of the devastation that would have happened to all plant life, among other things. Even if the extreme remodeling of the lands as Faith envisions had not happened, the land surfaces would still be unsuitable for sustaining the ark survivors. The Bible doesn't describe a lot of things that we are left to figure out from the scant clues it gives. I've pondered this situation a bit. I figure plenty of plant life, seeds and so on, were carried on the ark, and that the plants on the land, being pre-Flood, would have been extremely hardy and vigorous as all life was in the original world, human beings living many hundreds of years for instance. So it's possible that much of the plant life could have survived the Flood, believe it or not, and seeds could have germinated much more rapidly. There would also probably have been enough food on the ark to sustain them all for some period of time while plants got reestablished. Noah had a vineyard shortly after the ark landed. Anyway the first growing things would have had great vigor compared to plants today. Every living thing today is a very weak version of what it was originally created to be. The devastated environment would have taken a toll on all animal and plant life, some right away no doubt, the ice age beig a factor in that, but others taking a few hundred years, and there would have been a great loss of genetic diversity in all living things as well, not to mention the DNA damage due to mutations that would have been increasing -- not enough to make a huge difference for quite some time, but by now the difference is upon us. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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