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Faith 
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Message 736 of 882 (835179)
06-19-2018 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 729 by GDR
06-18-2018 10:27 PM


.. even when He rejects and/or corrects what is in the OT.
He doesn't reject anything in the OT. He tells His followers not to demand justice but to yield when treated unjustly, that's not denying the justice of the OT, and He reveals that Moses was lenient about the law of divorce but that Christians need to tfollow it strictly. Jesus IS the God of the Old Testament and He went on to fulfill "every jot and tittle" of the Moral Law which is Holy.
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Faith 
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Message 737 of 882 (835180)
06-19-2018 10:23 AM
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06-18-2018 10:22 PM


GDR writes:
Faith writes:
I was persuaded of the TRUTH of the traditional Protestant Reformation doctrines that are standard evangelical truth.
Hmm.. so you are persuaded by what a group of guys said about what a group guys wrote thousands of years earlier and are saying that it is straight from God.
Well, one is going to be persuaded by something, and they showed that the Catholic Church denied the Bible in favor of its own superstitious ideas, perhaps a little like what you are doing, and then they taught us what it actually says. I know that the Bible was Spirit-breathed by God, so following my own feelings instead of following the Bible would be foolish.
It is making a false idol out of the Bible, at the expense of what God has done in and through Jesus of Nazareth.
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Actually it is not doing that at all. You have a false idea of what God has done in and through Je4sus of Nazaeth because you prefer your own feelings to what the Bible that He Himself wrote reveals about Him.
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Faith 
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Message 738 of 882 (835181)
06-19-2018 10:41 AM


Really, this video is entertaining and informative
Just want to give a little plug for that video I put up back in Message 697 which was to show GDR that Calvinist Christianity also teaches practicing the love of Jesus, but also because it's just good. Rosaria Butterfield was a liberal atheist lesbian Professor of English before she got to know a pastor and his wife who persuaded her to Christ after a couple of years of conversations over dinner. She went on to marry a man who became a pastor himself and they have devoted themselves to hospitality to all their neighbors over the years.
In this talk she tells about what happened when a new neighbor turned out to be operating a meth lab in the house next door. She is an excellent story teller, as a former professor of English might be expected to be. It's aimed at a conference of Christians of course, rather than unbelievers, just so you know.
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Message 739 of 882 (835182)
06-19-2018 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 735 by Faith
06-19-2018 9:54 AM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Faith writes:
That's interesting. World peace depends on telling lies? Loving your neighbor means allowing them to go on in the thrall of demon gods?
Loving thy neighbour means not being a primitive, superstitious dickhead and try to get on with people.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Faith 
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Message 740 of 882 (835183)
06-19-2018 11:27 AM
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06-19-2018 11:08 AM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Of course. What are you carrying on about anyway?

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ringo
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Message 741 of 882 (835184)
06-19-2018 12:02 PM
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06-18-2018 9:09 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Faith writes:
Yeah that would be an irony, but of course you don't believe in God and I do.
What either of us believes or doesn't believe is not relevant. What's relevant is your behaviour and your behaviour doesn't suggest any special "understanding". Your insistence on being wrong about everything - to the point of openly defying reality - is evidence that the whole concept of "fallen minds" is garbage.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 742 of 882 (835185)
06-19-2018 12:09 PM
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06-18-2018 10:05 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
GDR writes:
Firstly science was started by theists....
They shot themselves in the foot. It's like inventing a phlogiston detector that shows that there is no phlogiston.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith 
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Message 743 of 882 (835186)
06-19-2018 12:27 PM
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06-19-2018 12:02 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
We were talking about the regeneration of the spirit as how God can be known, not anything else. The ability to believe in the biblical God is the result of regeneration so it IS relevant.
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ringo
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Message 744 of 882 (835187)
06-19-2018 12:39 PM
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06-19-2018 12:27 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Faith writes:
The ability to believe in the biblical God is the result of regeneration so it IS relevant.
Again, you're the poster child for not knowing what you're talking about, so that statement is pretty well worthless. You're living proof of non-regeneration.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith 
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Message 745 of 882 (835189)
06-19-2018 1:04 PM
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06-19-2018 12:39 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Gosh, it's a good thing I DO know what I'm talking about a lot of the time or my feelings might be hurt by your comments. I guess I should pray for you more.

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ringo
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Message 746 of 882 (835193)
06-19-2018 1:30 PM
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06-19-2018 1:04 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Faith writes:
Gosh, it's a good thing I DO know what I'm talking about a lot of the time or my feelings might be hurt by your comments.
Fat people shouldn't have their feelings hurt if somebody notices that they're fat. But keep up the hubris. You're making my point.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith 
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Message 747 of 882 (835195)
06-19-2018 1:48 PM
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06-19-2018 1:30 PM


Oh I don't care if you call me fat because these days I am fat, but of course if you did it would be an expression of hostility and that would be unpleasant. But I do know what I'm talking about most of the time here -- can't say all of the time because who knows, but I know most of the time I do and that you are wrong so although your hostility is unpleasant at least I have the comfort of knowing you are wrong.

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ringo
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Message 748 of 882 (835199)
06-19-2018 2:08 PM
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06-19-2018 1:48 PM


Faith writes:
... if you did it would be an expression of hostility....
Yet another instance of you making unfounded assumptions.
Edited by ringo, : spellinge

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foreveryoung
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Message 749 of 882 (835212)
06-19-2018 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 704 by Tangle
06-18-2018 6:15 AM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
God writes:
God is an idea held by the vast majority of homosapiens since even before Civilization.
Yes, there've been thousands of gods. Most of them now abandoned as we learn more. The more we learn, the less people believe. That's why religious believe is declining in the West.
The study of that idea is theology.
Theology is actually the study of religious beliefs about god. Ie what people believe about god. God cannot be studied. If he could we wouldn't need belief.
Science has disproved claims of people who believe in transcendent ideas. It's impossible to disprove the idea of transcendence. All you have is the disprovance of specific claims.
Is there a difference between what people claim about transcendence and people's ideas about transcendence?
The whole conversation we have been having is in reference to your comments in post 592.
I'm not just commenting just on that particular quote of yours, it's the entire conversation - it's just such a fantastical work of pure imagination.
Quoting Humpty Dumpty from Alice in Wonderland is the nearest I can get to explaining how totally preposterous I find this whole portion of thread is.
I can't believe that grown-ups can 'think' this way.
Faith's whole conversation is identical to pure works of fantasy like Alice in Wonderland in your mind. You don't seem to be able to fathom how anyone could possibly think that way. My posts to you have been an effort to show you it's not unreasonable for faith to think that way. Not only has it been common among the majority of humans for most of their existence; there are valid reasons for people to think that way today.
Show me why you feel that is wrong.
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Message 750 of 882 (835213)
06-19-2018 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 748 by ringo
06-19-2018 2:08 PM


Hostility is the reason people call other people fat in most cases.
It's reasonable for faith to assume you are representative of the vast majority.

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