Religion or Science - How do they compare?

In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort.....l.

I'm fine with true accounts, produce these devils and demons, let's have a good look at them.Otherwise I reckon they're just orcs and trolls. My Precious.

Might as well end there then. Almost as it we have nothing at all so we make stuff up isn't it?

And how do Muslims study God?

No trace of irony there at all. Nope, can't see any. Nope, none.How about Hindus? Same problem?

So much for love thy neighbour.World peace isn't coming any time soon according to this childish fantasy.

Irrelevant. And again you misunderstand. Deliberately, I can only assume. The agent IS the process. If you think there is another agent standing outside the process you have to produce it and show its influence.Your problem is that you've already accepted that evolution is a random process so the only place an agent can be introduced is at the very start of the process. But if the process is random, the outcome can not be determined in any way. You've said it hundreds of time, do I have to go find them?
Now you're equivocating with 'a great deal of randomness'. Like pregnancy, randomness is binary - random or non-randon? Which?At what point is your god interfering with the random process making it random for a while, then non-random, then random again? Yeh, we know what you believe and don't believe. Sigh.....

Loving thy neighbour means not being a primitive, superstitious dickhead and try to get on with people.

Correct. I know how and why people think that way. Luckily, the process that causes it is changing - but it's slow. Your posts have simply said - as you do again now - that a lot of people have believed something therefore it's reasonable to believe it. Well that's obviously and demonstrably wrong. Must I point to the long list of ridiculous stuff most people have believed that has been proven wrong? So, what are these reasons? I think you're going to have to be specific, what is it that Faith believes/thinks that you want me to say is wrong - that the earth is 6,000 years old, that Noah and his flood actually happened, that evolution didn't produce species, that homosexuality is an abomination, that school teachers should be armed with guns, that pretty much all science from cosmology through biology and geology is wrong, that anything that contradicts her belief is wrong, that the pope is the antichrist and that demons are real? Really?

Yes, the claim is that your belief in invisible, mythical beings (gods) is the same as a belief in other invisible, mythical beings (elves, fairies, leprechauns, trolls, ents, mad hatters, demons, unicorns, gobblins etc etc etc).The proof is an obvious one, if you can produce your invisible being, I'm wrong.If you can't the claim stands.The default position is that because we have no evidence for a god and have seen thousands of gods disapear without trace because they too were man-made inventions, no gods exists.The positive claim is that god exists, so if anyone is going to be convinced by that they're going to need the evidence. That's the way it works, the guy claiming something is real, needs to demonstrate that it's real. The same applies to fairies, elves, goblins.........

That's not my problem. I guess you think that's a quite resonable thing to say. Doesn't sound at all bonkers. The people who have to do that are called psychiatrists. What real experiences?

*I* know it can't be, but you tell me it true. So we have an impasse.I need a really good reason to believe something utterly preposterous. You can't provide it so ....

The entire population of the earth can tell me whatever they like, but if they can't provide something real and tangible, I'm not interested. 'I believe...' without good reason, is evidence of nothing except delusion. I really don't care how intelligent or how insane anyone is. All I need is a reason based in reality for why I should believe in something preposterous.People are complicated and complex, they can be both highly intelligent AND insane. Proper out of their head bonkers. That's why reasoning people require objective evidence. Particularly when the claim itself is straight up daft.

Only if it *is* daft. Because there are no personal experiences of god that can be shown to have been anything more than imaginary.

Yes Faith me too. But at least you now know we we don’t take the stuff you say seriously either.