Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity

Religion is an ideology, a set of beliefs, it is not an emotional compulsion. What is your point? All I'm saying is that homosexual fee3lings are not in the same category as being born male or female of black or white or tan.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So then lets assume there is no biological foundation for it. How is it any different than a preference? Like being attracted to brunettes over blondes? Maybe that's biological, maybe that's sociological, maybe a little of both. Does it matter?So homosexuality is a sin in the bible. No dispute there. But aren't they the one's who are going to have to deal with the consequences? Why be so invested in it?

You would really equate homosexual desire with such things as preference for blondes or brunettes? Oh come on!. And please name any such "preference" that should have special civil rights ststus.Christians cannot endorse gay marriage because the Bible says marriage is between a man and a woman. That's in Genesis and Jesus quoted it. Otherwise homosexuals may live as they please. But the requirement that Christians honor gay marriage puts us in an untenable position.We really should also worry about the amount of sin a society tolerates and western societies have been legally permitting all kinds of sins for decades that were formerly not permitted, easy divorce being one, which is a violation of God's law, multiple marriages, cohabitation of unmarrieds, freedom of speech granted to pornography, and of course the murder of the unborn. All that is permitted and legal now so why not gay marriage too. That is also now law and I'm sure there's no way to stop it as I keep saying, but the reason to be worried about all these things is that any society that endorses and encourages sin comes under God's judgment, and we are certainly there. That means the ultimate destruction of the society in many ways from economic to military to further cultural deterioration and so on, and it's worse for any society that formerly honored God. So I'd say that is something to worry about. And not for the sake of Christians because this isn't our ultimate home, but for the sake of all those unbelievers who deny such things and are therefore going to suffer dreadfully.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Preferences for blondes or brunettes are not given special civil rights status

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Because there is no discrimination that needs to be addressed.

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Christians cannot endorse gay marriage because the Bible says marriage is between a man and a woman. That's in Genesis and Jesus quoted it. Otherwise homosexuals may live as they please. But the requirement that Christians honor gay marriage puts us in an untenable position.

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Christians don’t have any problem. The real objection is that you pretend Christians didn’t get your way. There’s nothing Christian about an evil religious tyranny built on lies and hate.

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We really should also worry about the amount of sin a society tolerates ...

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And yet you voted for Trump. Lies, adultery, bigotry - those sins are fine with Christians. It’s just treating gays as equal that you can’t stand.

Protecting gays from discrimination does not require legalizing gay marriage, and besides that doesn't protect them anyway.

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Protecting gays from discrimination does not require legalizing gay marriage, and besides that doesn't protect them anyway.

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Legalising gay marriage removed a case of discrimination and struck a blow against many more instances. That’s the real reason Christians oppose it.And you complain enough about prosecution under anti-discrimination laws to know that they do some good. Even if you are only interested in using them as a weapon against gay marriage.

Your palpable hatred of "Christians" certainly validates the title of this thread. There are other ways discrimination against gays could have been legally dealt with besides gay marriage, but gay marriage specifically targets the Law of God and forces Christians to choose between disobeying God or disobeying the law when it requires us to recognize gay marriage. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Your palpable hatred of "Christians" certainly validates the title of this thread

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I hate their evil, not them personally.

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There are other ways discrimination against gays could have been legally dealt with besides gay marriage,

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And Christians were fighting hard against those, too. Legalising gay marriage got around that as well as bring the simplest and quickest - by far - way to address the problem.

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, but gay marriage specifically targets the Law of God and forces Christians to choose between disobeying God or disobeying the law when it requires us to recognize gay marriage.

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Of course that’s no more true than the idea that ending segregation targeted the Law of GodUntil you come up with a passage that says that Christians are expected to prevent gay partners getting insurance benefits or be allowed hospital visitation rights - or to be fair something at least analogous- you haven’t got a case.

If it's not biological, as you suggest, then it is entirely preferential. Is there a third option? I don't believe there is. You either were consigned to a life of homosexuality or you chose it. No? The bible very clearly states that God himself is in control and puts people in charge whom he elects for his own purposes. He chose the Pharaoh. He chose Pontious Pilate. He chose Saddam Hussein. He chose Barack Obama. He chose Kim Jong Un. He chose Donald Trump, if you believe the Scriptures, that is."Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." -- Romans 13:1It says sin is like a pit one dug for himself. Maybe a Christian should be more concerned about their own life being in check than worrying about others IF you truly believe that God is in control. A secular person has to be concerned about all kinds of things because there's no Master at the helm, in their mind.Here's what I've noticed about certain religious convictions... ISIS being an awesome example. They love to quote from the Qur'an as they're exacting their "righteous vengeance" in the name of Allah. But what are they saying inadvertently about Allah -- about how inept and feckless they must believe him to be, that he needs the help of mere mortals to exact his righteous and indignant wrath on His behalf? What an unbelievable lack of faith. Oh, ye of little faith!!!My point is, don't you think God is grand enough to be God without your intervention? If homosexuals are going to burn for eternity, they don't need our help in facilitating the burning, just like God is powerful enough to bring them to the Truth without our intervention.

Do you actually enjoy being wrong about everything? Homosexuality is NOT a choice.If you doubt it, try making the choice yourself. Or is that your problem? Homosexuality - Wikipedia

I didn't say homosexual inclinations were a choice, I thought I was pretty clear that they aren't, as the person experiences them they are just there. But that doesn't make them inborn like sex or race. I don't think my own sin proclivities were a choice either, I'm just that way, but since I have those proclivities I have the responsibility as a Christian to mortify them. Acting on them is sin, and so is homosexual behavior. It is not like being born black or white or male or female. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

God is in control of everything but we are nevertheless responsible for our sins and the Bible shows clearly that sin is the cause of all the pain and suffering on the planet, and the destruction of nations. If you know about this then it only makes sense that you warn people about it and hope that the nation will turn back from the inevitable judgment.And as a matter of fact God has chosen some evil tyrannical leaders to be His instruments of judgment on a people.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So homosexuality is not inborn, like, you know, sex?That's bizarre even for you. God given you mean? You want to 'mortify' the god given gift of sexuality? Religious rubbish. Apparently it is. Though it's more complicated - a mix of genetic, hormones and environment. And, btw, male and female is not black or white, nor is, well, black or white. They're all on a spectrum.

if "you're born not with trait x" is grounds to deny people rights then religion should be treated like sexual orientation and gender orientation.

The preference for partners of the opposite sex has special civil rights status. We're trying to fix that.