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Author Topic:   Religion or Science - How do they compare?
ringo
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Message 742 of 882 (835185)
06-19-2018 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 725 by GDR
06-18-2018 10:05 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
GDR writes:

Firstly science was started by theists....


They shot themselves in the foot. It's like inventing a phlogiston detector that shows that there is no phlogiston.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 744 of 882 (835187)
06-19-2018 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 743 by Faith
06-19-2018 12:27 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Faith writes:

The ability to believe in the biblical God is the result of regeneration so it IS relevant.


Again, you're the poster child for not knowing what you're talking about, so that statement is pretty well worthless. You're living proof of non-regeneration.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 746 of 882 (835193)
06-19-2018 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 745 by Faith
06-19-2018 1:04 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Faith writes:

Gosh, it's a good thing I DO know what I'm talking about a lot of the time or my feelings might be hurt by your comments.


Fat people shouldn't have their feelings hurt if somebody notices that they're fat. But keep up the hubris. You're making my point.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 748 of 882 (835199)
06-19-2018 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 747 by Faith
06-19-2018 1:48 PM


Faith writes:

... if you did it would be an expression of hostility....


Yet another instance of you making unfounded assumptions.

Edited by ringo, : spellinge


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ringo
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Message 759 of 882 (835252)
06-20-2018 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 750 by foreveryoung
06-19-2018 7:18 PM


foreveryoung writes:

Hostility is the reason people call other people fat in most cases.


When your doctor tells you to lose a few pounds, he isn't being hostile; he's being helpful.

foreveryoung writes:

It's reasonable for faith to assume you are representative of the vast majority.


Jumping to conclusions isn't reasonable.

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Message 761 of 882 (835254)
06-20-2018 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 751 by foreveryoung
06-19-2018 7:20 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
foreveryoung writes:

Noticing someone is fat is a far cry from using that "fact" to diminish the value of that person...


Pointing out that somebody is wrong doesn't diminish their value.

foreveryoung writes:

... especially if there is a past of such a hostile attitude.


If you check your facts you'll find that Faith has been hostile toward me - and almost everybody else on this forum - and you'll find that my response to her is usually pretty civil in comparison.

Edited by ringo, : spellinge


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Message 764 of 882 (835265)
06-20-2018 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 760 by Faith
06-20-2018 3:17 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Faith writes:

How would you suggest one go about proving the existence of invisible beings? Actually I'm sure you have a few watching you this very minute but they wouldn't want to blow their cover with you since it benefits them not to be believed in.


I can only guess that you're talking about demons. Of course it would also apply to your God. How does it benefit Him to not be believed in?

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Message 775 of 882 (835315)
06-21-2018 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 766 by Faith
06-20-2018 5:28 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Faith writes:

That lots of intelligent sane people describe them to you really ought to count as a good enough reason to think there might be something to it....


No, that isn't how the brain works. It is possible to be intelligent and sane in some parts of your brain while holding silly thoughts in another part. What distinguishes blind believers is their inability to assess their own thoughts for silliness.

There's a good reason why we often ask each other, "Did you see that?" Our social connections help us to filter out the individual silliness.


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Message 798 of 882 (835412)
06-23-2018 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 790 by Phat
06-23-2018 5:38 AM


Re: heretics
Phat writes:

There is no such thing as a "Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty".


Members of a cult never know they're in a cult. They just think they have The Truth.

Phat writes:

To assert that early Christianity was a cheap marketing gimmick only holds water as a baldfaced assertion without evidence. There is no evidence that anyone was selling anything.


You keep misunderstanding what "marketing" means. It isn't necessarily a cash transaction. Evangelism is inherently a form of marketing.

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Message 800 of 882 (835422)
06-23-2018 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 799 by Faith
06-23-2018 12:11 PM


Re: heretics
Faith writes:

I can't even figure out how anyone calls mainstream Protestant traditional Christianity a "cult."


I have said somewhere else what I consider a cult to be: a group that considers itself (its leaders) the authority on everything, that discourages its members from looking/learning outside the group, that cites "authorities" rather than evidence. You certainly fit that description, as do the Moonies, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.

Faith writes:

The list of well known Christians in Message 777....


I have pointed out to you before that you have cited Catholics as authorities. Do you relly want that list scrutinized? I suspect we would find people on it who disagree with you.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 802 of 882 (835431)
06-23-2018 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 801 by Faith
06-23-2018 12:48 PM


Re: heretics
Faith writes:

By your standard there could never be a body of doctrine that wasn't a cult.


Bingo.

Note that Judaism doesn't have a solid body of doctrine; everything is open to interpretation. Note how Jesus reinterpreted the Pharisees' interpretation.

Similarly, the "liberal" Christianity that you spit on is somewhat flexible in its interpretation - i.e. more Christ-like.


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Message 804 of 882 (835434)
06-23-2018 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 803 by Faith
06-23-2018 1:00 PM


Re: heretics
Faith writes:

Oy.


Vey.

If you're going to use their language, you should show some respect for their views.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 806 of 882 (835452)
06-23-2018 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 805 by Faith
06-23-2018 2:40 PM


Re: heretics
Faith writes:

There is no organized institution on the planet that doesn't have a coherent body of doctrine.


There's a difference between a coherent body of doctrine and a fixed, dogmatic one. A cult protects its doctrine from reality.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 808 of 882 (835461)
06-23-2018 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 807 by Faith
06-23-2018 3:17 PM


Re: heretics
Faith writes:

You are the one inventing a "fixed dogmatic" doctrine, not I.


On the contrary, you're the one who insists that all truth comes from the Bible - but not from what the Bible actually says, only what your "orthodox authorities" say it says. To me that describes a cult.

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ringo
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Message 811 of 882 (835470)
06-23-2018 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 809 by Phat
06-23-2018 4:16 PM


Re: heretics
Phat writes:

To me, consensus comes from a wide and varied audience--not from one old codger with critical thinking who argued philosophy on a battleship gray front porch and who formed his own dogmatic views.


So you're agreeing with me?

Phat writes:

Otherwise, we may as well introduce Loki and the spaghetti monster as reasonable alternatives to the Creator of all seen and unseen.


Yes. We've already done that.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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