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Author Topic:   Religion or Science - How do they compare?
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Message 441 of 882 (833664)
05-24-2018 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 440 by Tangle
05-24-2018 7:35 PM


Re: Back to the title of the thread
Religion:
quote:
There is no God but Allah and Mohamed is His prophet.

It is understood to be true by millions.


Science:

quote:
There is no evidence of a God or Gods and humans have created thousands of them.

Edited by jar, : add Science perspective.


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Message 452 of 882 (833696)
05-25-2018 1:18 PM
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05-25-2018 12:30 PM


Re: Faith's fantasies vs reality
Phat writes:

Not to say I disagree with your beliefs...I share many of them, but GDR would at this point bring up his ongoing argument regarding Biblianity vs Christianity...

Except neither you nor Faith seem to actually believe the Bible says what it says so it is not the Bible you place as authority but rather the dogma created by your chapters of Club Christian.


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Message 494 of 882 (833804)
05-26-2018 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 472 by Phat
05-26-2018 11:45 AM


Re: On "Original Sin" and "The Fall"
Phat writes:

Why don't most Bible teachers mention this?

Ignorance or the common adoption of the dogma instead of what the Bible actually says.


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Message 495 of 882 (833805)
05-26-2018 5:03 PM
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05-26-2018 4:10 PM


Re: On "Original Sin" and "The Fall"
Phat writes:

The agenda? Teaching that the Bible is just another book. Also teaching that all religions and beliefs are equally valid.

I don't teach anything Phat, I simply report. And what I actually say is that all religions are equally invalid. Religions are just things created by men.

Phat writes:

The belief here is that human wisdom (ye shall be as gods...) is all that we have or ever will have. Worship focuses around communion with each other and doing as Jesus did...feeding the hungry, comforting the sorrowful and clothing the naked. This is good teaching except that it brings Christianity down to the level of humanism. Churches may as well be the United Way!

No Phat, there you go making stuff up again. It was the God character in the Bible that said we had gained the knowledge of the Gods.

But yes, human wisdom really is all we can ever have. There is no other source of wisdom. If there is, please explain just how you get such wisdom?

Phat writes:

In other words, humans simply need to man up and be responsible and learn to help each other and that this planet will make it if we do as Jesus taught. The agenda? That we are responsible and no God is gonna save us or bail us out. My only comment on that is that if the world fell into another war that caused mass poverty, death, and destruction, dollars will get you doughnuts that people would turn to the belief that Jesus will give us a way out. jar would preach that humans would have to pick themselves up and start over again. One side believes Jesus saves. The other side believes that humans and only humans can help (or hurt) themselves.

No Phat, again you are simply misrepresenting what I have said. Do you have ANY examples that show God or Jesus stepping in and fixing stuff?

Phat writes:

The "dogma of this cult" is that jesus was a teacher who taught us what we could become and was a human as the rest of us.

All of this wouldnt be so bad if jar and others had more respect for what the mainstream apologists and Christian leaders teach and believe. They dont have to agree with it so much as simply acknowlege that the majority of mainstream orthodox teaching supports a Divine jesus, a sacrifice on the cross, and relationship with God and others.

Instead,. mainstream belief is belittled and ridiculed. "a carney sideshow...palming the pea...misdirecting the audiences attention"....while logic, reason, and reality are preached....which seems rational on the surface until one thinks out the implications of such a religion.

But again Phat, logic, reason and reality are NOT a religion, Thank God.

Phat writes:

Reading the Bible without acknowleging God is like reading Moby Dick without believing in whales.

No Phat, that's another example of a piss poor bumper sticker. It's like reading Moby Dick without believing in wumperdoodles. Whales can be seen, tested, counted, verified, tasted, used as fuel or perfume. But there is NO equivalent God.

Phat writes:

I would argue that the Bible does have a connection and purpose. it is not simply some critical book of antiquity to be studied alongside the other beliefs.

The Gideons summarize it well in the introductory statement in every Bible they place:

The Bible contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable.

Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy. It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you.

It is the traveler’s map, the pilgrim’s staff, the pilot’s compass, the soldier’s sword and the Christian’s charter. Here too, Heaven is opened and the gates of Hell disclosed.

Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the glory of God its end. It should fill the memory, rule the heart and guide the feet. Read it slowly, frequently and prayerfully. It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of glory, and a river of pleasure.

It is given you in life, will be opened at the judgment, and be remembered forever. It involves the highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents.

Word Salad Phat. Word salad.

But religions can be a path, a guide and somewhat connected to reality at times.


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Message 506 of 882 (834177)
05-31-2018 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 505 by GDR
05-31-2018 5:40 PM


Re: Moral problems in the Bible?
GDR writes:

Sure it is very reminiscent of the world centuries ago but that doesn't change anything. It simply means that there is no absolute right or wrong.

And that there is no absolute right or wrong also simply fits the evidence and makes sense while some absolute right or wrong neither fits the evidence or makes sense.


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Message 586 of 882 (834933)
06-15-2018 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 552 by Faith
06-13-2018 9:06 AM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Would I feel any different if I were Bagheera or Kaa or more likely a member of the Bandar-log?

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Message 717 of 882 (835145)
06-18-2018 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 715 by Faith
06-18-2018 4:48 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Faith writes:

The way Christians study God is by studying His word, the Bible, which reveals Him to us. That's what all Christian theology is.

Except you always ignore what the Bible actually says and instead simply parrot the dogma of your Cult.


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Message 757 of 882 (835244)
06-20-2018 9:16 AM
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06-20-2018 8:47 AM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
It is you who miss the point.

You assert that something exists thus you need to provide evidence that what you exerts actually exists. The reality is that your belief really is no different than a belief that unicorns exist.


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Message 767 of 882 (835269)
06-20-2018 5:56 PM
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06-20-2018 5:28 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
The people that believe in such things are called Muslims and Jews an Druids an Buddhists and Taoists and Hindus and Satanists...

You don't get to exclude any beliefs Faith.

Edited by jar, : No reason given.


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Message 771 of 882 (835285)
06-20-2018 9:40 PM
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06-20-2018 8:22 PM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Not just invisible beings but rather God.

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Message 774 of 882 (835304)
06-21-2018 4:28 AM
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06-21-2018 12:23 AM


Re: Empathy and epigentics
Yet they know that it is God as firmly as you believe the parody you market is God.

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Message 783 of 882 (835389)
06-22-2018 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 782 by Faith
06-22-2018 7:10 PM


Re: heretics
Faith writes:

Still fascinated by this book I read another review, one I'd already read but now I have a framework for it knowing that Rutledge can't embrace penal substitution, which is the same thing as being unable to embrace Christ and Christianity.

Writing more checks that simply cannot be cashed again Faith.

Only in the Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty might "... knowing that Rutledge can't embrace penal substitution, which is the same thing as being unable to embrace Christ and Christianity."

The rest of us know that position is nothing more than a cheap marketing gimmick designed to con the gullible and that totally diminishes any worth or value of Jesus life and ministry.


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Message 793 of 882 (835401)
06-23-2018 9:36 AM
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06-23-2018 5:38 AM


Re: heretics
This is no longer 450AD Phat in case you had not noticed.

Early Christianity's ignorance is reasonable but cannot excuse today's Christian Willful Ignorance and Dishonesty.

AbE:

StAugustine writes:

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens and the other elements of this world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and relative positions… Now it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of the Holy Scriptures, talking nonsense on these topics, and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn.

Edited by jar, : See AbE:


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Message 810 of 882 (835468)
06-23-2018 4:23 PM
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06-23-2018 4:16 PM


Re: heretics
Phat writes:

God by definition does not lie. satan by definition has no truth in him

But that is not what the Bible says and so you are now placing dogma above what is actually written.


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Message 813 of 882 (835473)
06-23-2018 4:36 PM
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06-23-2018 4:30 PM


Re: heretics
And I can quote Genesis 2&3.

The point Phat is that the Bible is as it should be, inconsistent, contradictory and filled with factual errors. What is left is the God(s) that humans create, whether the author of John or the author of Genesis 2&3.

When you make statements like God does not lie or Satan does not tell the truth you are worshiping the God you create.


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