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Message 826 of 877 (835447)
06-23-2018 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 825 by jar
06-23-2018 2:36 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
The Flood didn't carve the shapes, jar, it just laid down the strata.

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Message 829 of 877 (835453)
06-23-2018 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 828 by edge
06-23-2018 3:06 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
For an event of such magnitude it's close enough.
But I do find it interesting that you are playing down the effect. Makes it sound like if the continents split in our time with our population it might be a headline but nothing particularly important.
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Message 831 of 877 (835456)
06-23-2018 3:18 PM
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06-23-2018 3:17 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
No.; Why don't you enlighten poor stupid me.

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Message 832 of 877 (835460)
06-23-2018 3:34 PM
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06-23-2018 3:17 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
And by the way, you are apparently agreeing with me that the strata were all laid down together and deformed together as a unit, just as it appears on the cross section, since they are all lying in the same direction and there is no particular disturbance during the Jurassic when supposedly Pangaea broke up. So that break-up didn't interrupt the continuing deposition, and the quite dramatic deformation that is present now, the whole stack that was once vertical now flat on its side and all tilted in the same direction, occurred after the continental split. I wonder what caused it then if the split wasn't enough of a jolt to do it.
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Message 837 of 877 (835484)
06-23-2018 10:26 PM
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06-23-2018 4:15 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
You are right I have no idea what you are talking about or how it applies to the topic. No idea how the orogeny explains anything, or whether the orogeny even exists. And again, if the rifting didn't cause the deformation, which occurred so dramatically to the entire stack and not just up to the Jurassic, what did?
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Message 838 of 877 (835485)
06-23-2018 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 836 by Pollux
06-23-2018 9:55 PM


Re: Large Igneous provinces not a problem?
I can't accept such an explanation of something in the past no matter how logical it seems since it can't be proved, it can only be hypothesized, and there have to be mitigating factors that you are not taking into account. I'll stick to what I know I can prove.

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Message 841 of 877 (835489)
06-23-2018 10:47 PM
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06-23-2018 10:40 PM


Re: Large Igneous provinces not a problem?
I'm sure other creationists have or will produce whatever is required to explain it.

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Message 846 of 877 (835495)
06-23-2018 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 844 by Pollux
06-23-2018 11:02 PM


Re: Floodists problems
Why would the Flood need accelerated plate tectonics and RA decay anyway?
Because the Americas had to travel some 3000 miles from Europe and Africa in about 4500 years to get to their present position.
It is such a pity for YEC that all problems vanish as soon as it is realised long time is involved.
There are problems with that long time in lots of other ways though, and you guys who so blithely conjure all those millions of years don't bother with trying to understand it all from the point of view of the God who made you and made it all.
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Message 848 of 877 (835497)
06-23-2018 11:26 PM
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06-23-2018 11:24 PM


Re: Floodists problems
You don't need the millions of years ascribed to evolution, and even a lot less than that would have led to extinction of all life on the planet by now..
What is CPT?
Never mind: Catastrophic Plate Tectonics.
What would you expect to see in a thousand years if CPT was correct?
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Message 850 of 877 (835499)
06-23-2018 11:37 PM
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06-23-2018 11:31 PM


Re: Floodists problems
I wasn't asking about volcanism, but never mind.

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Message 855 of 877 (835509)
06-24-2018 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 853 by Pollux
06-24-2018 2:44 AM


Re: CPT for 1000 years?
Because volcanism is an integral part of plate tectonics Edge's comment is pretty apt. But first, it is your hypothesis so you should make some testable prediction based on it. How fast are the plates moving?
When he said they know about CPT over the last thousand years I expected him to say something about CPT, not volcanoes. My mistake.
I calculated the rate a long time ago and I don't keep track of things very well so I'm not sure I could even go through it all again. But here's what I remember concluding: Between Europe and America it starts out spreading at twenty feet per day, ten on each side of the Atlantic ridge, and slows to its present rate over 4500 years having widened the Atlantic to 3000 miles. I had fun figuring out how wide the Atlantic was at different times in history, and even the Mediterranean Sea.
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Message 856 of 877 (835510)
06-24-2018 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 854 by jar
06-24-2018 7:38 AM


Re: How did the flood produce wind blown cross bedded sand dunes
They aren't wind blown.

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Message 857 of 877 (835511)
06-24-2018 8:31 AM
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06-24-2018 2:29 AM


Re: Floodists problems
It’s a bit hard to consider something that we have no way of knowing. We can’t even know if there is a God to have an opinion.
But I’m pretty sure that if there is He’d prefer us to honestly investigate the evidence instead of inventing lies to support false dogma. But if you feel differently please make the case.
Inventing hypotheses is not inventing lies, and if the Bible is correctly understood as to the timing of the Flood -- it's possible that it's not but I have no reason to doubt it at present -- then any evidence that contradicts it is not something we could "honestly investigate" and God would not "prefer" that.

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Message 859 of 877 (835514)
06-24-2018 8:45 AM
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06-24-2018 2:32 AM


Re: Floodists problems
I'm not trying to prove anything to you about evolution and wasn't claiming to do so, simply stating what I believe to be the case. It is based on the fact that we actually see evolution occurring all the time (what you all call evolution although it's not, it's just variation within a Kind), and if macroevolution were true, which it isn't, while it would probably take longer than what we observe of microevolution there's no reason to think it would take millions of years. Thousands would already be overkill. But I have no interest in trying to prove this on this thread at this time.
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Message 860 of 877 (835515)
06-24-2018 8:50 AM
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06-24-2018 8:44 AM


Re: Floodists problems
Unfortunately for YOU the evidence DOES support the Flood, starting with the simple fact of the strata and the fossils which you all love to deny is evidence for the Flood but is glaring in-your-face evidence for it.

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