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Author Topic:   Gay Marriage as an attack on Christianity
Faith 
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Message 1211 of 1484 (835628)
06-26-2018 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1206 by PaulK
06-26-2018 6:58 AM


Re: Justice
God's justice that you call monstrous is in fact righteous and good and just though fromn our point of view it seems unnecessarily harsh. His ways are not our ways, He is not a human being and He sees everything from a much higher perspective. You judge Him from our human feelings because we are not in a position to see things from His point of view. But scripture tells us His judgments are righteous. You either believe it or you don't.

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Message 1215 of 1484 (835632)
06-26-2018 8:49 AM
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06-26-2018 8:48 AM


Re: Justice
Let your case stand, I'm fine with that. You are going to stick with it no matter what anyway.

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Message 1217 of 1484 (835634)
06-26-2018 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1216 by Tangle
06-26-2018 8:50 AM


Re: Justice
From our point of view we are not restricted in our freedom of choice by God's predestination. Period.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 1221 of 1484 (835638)
06-26-2018 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1220 by RAZD
06-26-2018 10:23 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
Fine, it's a particular branch of Christianity that will be challenged if that makes such a big difference to you but everything I said about that is true. Unless the Supreme Court decides to protect Christian wedding-related businesses from being sued and prosecuted for refusing to serve gay weddings they will have to go out of business or pay fines and so on. As I said, some freedom of religion. You can skip all the pedantic stuff about freedom of religion applying across the board because it's this particular Christian branch that's going to suffer because we oppose gay marriage on biblical grounds and won't compromise. If there are other religions with a similar position that run wedding based businesses that could get challenged, then we aren't alone, but at the moment we seem to be alone and you really didn't say anything that applies to the reality of the situation.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 1222 of 1484 (835639)
06-26-2018 12:08 PM
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06-26-2018 9:14 AM


Re: Justice
Oh your case isn't wrong, based on your premises it's completely right and you should stand on it.

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Message 1225 of 1484 (835645)
06-26-2018 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1224 by RAZD
06-26-2018 12:37 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
You are the one who doesn't get it but there's no point in saying it again.

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Message 1227 of 1484 (835652)
06-27-2018 4:18 AM
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06-27-2018 12:11 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
Hyro, I guess you missed it but all the wedding business owners were clearly refusing service for gay marriage and nothing else; it never had anything to do with gays as such, who receive all the other services available. It is not about discriminating against persons, it is about gay marriage, period. and I keep saying that myself in these discussions.

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Message 1229 of 1484 (835754)
06-30-2018 11:57 AM
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06-30-2018 10:12 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
No RAZD, my religion is a life commitment, it isn't to be restricted by the world to wherever they want it to be confined, it is to be lived every day everywhere. So again, Christians will no longer be able to run wedding businesses, and if we are put in the position of being required to endorse gay marriage in any other way we will have to take the punishment.

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Message 1231 of 1484 (835762)
06-30-2018 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1230 by ringo
06-30-2018 12:06 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
And as I've said a million times already, if it is not protected and we are confronted with a demand to honor gay marriage we will have to be punished for refusing.

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Message 1233 of 1484 (835780)
07-01-2018 5:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1232 by ringo
06-30-2018 12:39 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
That's all true as long as there is no conflict between the human laws and God's law.
Acts 5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

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Message 1238 of 1484 (835793)
07-01-2018 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1236 by Capt Stormfield
07-01-2018 12:46 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
Should I hang a "No Christians" sign in my reception area so that I don't have to "honor" their prayers?
If you like.

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Faith 
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Message 1239 of 1484 (835794)
07-01-2018 1:33 PM
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07-01-2018 1:19 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
The fact that god is just a meme implanted in minds of men, an extension of his ego. Technically, you are obeying men who are using their god meme as an authority.
Yes and if society wants to make that definition law, and perhaps that will happen the way things are going, then religious freedom wiil be kaput for good.

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Message 1245 of 1484 (835825)
07-01-2018 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1243 by anglagard
07-01-2018 4:50 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
I expect to face the consequences. Hasn't that been clear?

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Message 1248 of 1484 (835832)
07-02-2018 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1247 by JonF
07-02-2018 8:00 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
I've done both. If the law isn't going to be changed we have to take the consequences.

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Faith 
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Message 1250 of 1484 (835839)
07-02-2018 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1249 by Chiroptera
07-02-2018 11:37 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
I'm thinking of many different ways Chrsitians could be put in a difficult position in relation to gay marriage, not just through a wedding business, but any way we are required to affirm gay marriage. Issuing marriage licenses was a challenge for one Christian. And I'm sure it doesn't always have to involve something official or to do with business. Since we can't affirm it we have to take the consequences. Going out of business is one consequence. Paying fines may be another. Going to jail may be another. Simply losing a friendship may be another, and that's not one to be taken lightly either.
I know there's no point since there is a determination here to spin this as personal feelings no matter what I say, but I will just say it again: this is not about any kind of "dislike" of gay people or anything to do with discrimination against them as people, since there was never a problem for Christian-run bakeries and florists and photographers serving gays in any other context, birthdays, other celebrations, or just wanting something sweet to eat or flowers for a party and so on, only weddings; it's about the law legalizing gay marriage. Because we see it as clearly a violation of God's ordinance of marriage.
Period.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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