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Author Topic:   Religion or Science - How do they compare?
Tangle
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Message 861 of 882 (835703)
06-28-2018 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 859 by Faith
06-28-2018 9:49 AM


Re: Scriptural Acrobatics
Faith writes:
There are so many references in scripture to real historical people and events I would think that might cause you to consider it historical. I suppose you just figure the writers stuck in some facts to make it seem real though, right?
The writers wrote about the times they were in and the things that they were told. What else would you expect? There is nothing in the bible that couldn't have been known by the people at the time.
It takes so much ingenuity to turn the realities of scripture into fiction that ought to make anyone appreciate how unlikely it is any of the ordinary men who followed Jesus could have written fiction.
It takes virtually no effort at all. Try reading the book of Mormon.
Not to mention of course that they had no motive for it, which GDR has been writing about, but that doesn't mean anything to you either.
The motive is clear and obvious and has been explained many times.
What was the motive for writing the Book of Mormon?

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Tangle
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Message 864 of 882 (835717)
06-29-2018 3:24 AM
Reply to: Message 862 by Faith
06-28-2018 8:41 PM


Re: Scriptural Acrobatics
Faith writes:
Your attempt to make a comparison with the history of Christianity comes from your own prejudice.
I'm certainly prejudiced against fiction being worshipped as truth. Despite the fact that Mormonism is the modern invention of a con man it has 15 million followers. I could just as easily point to the Church of Scientology. Another recent and very obvious fraud, yet people still need to believe it.
People invent religions for others to follow for all sorts of reasons and once invented they follow a life of their own driven by the irrationality of its believers.
Yours is just another one of thousands of others.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 867 of 882 (835732)
06-29-2018 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 865 by Phat
06-29-2018 11:44 AM


Re: Scriptural Acrobatics
Phat writes:
You've lumped all of them together!
Yes Phat, I did exactly that.
How do you know that one is just like another?
They're only like each other in that they're all human inventions. After that they're a diverse and crazy bunch of ideas and beliefs.
How do you know that all religions were invented?
Why do you think that your religion is special? To use the cliche, you also believe that all religions are inventions. Except one. The one that by a total accident of birth happens to the one your parents and your community believe in. Amazing coincidence eh?
What does belief in God have to do with religion by definition anyway?
Well, for a start you can't have a religion without a belief in god. It's kind of definitional.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 871 of 882 (835738)
06-29-2018 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 868 by Phat
06-29-2018 2:18 PM


Re: I wish I was special...so very special
Phat writes:
I don't. I DO think that the God I worship is special, though.
Everybody thinks the god they worship is special. Funny then that they're different gods and diferent beliefs.
Again, I believe that all gods are inventions and/or demons. Except One.
What an amazing coincidence! Doesn't it bother you at all that had you be born elesewhere, you wouldn't think that?
Where I disagree is that I believe that God,if God exists is capable of reaching us.
Well, you know, he's a god and all. It's kind of expected that he can do stuff like that.
As to whether or not He chooses to do so I see no reason why we would be a waste of His time. Do you? (Hypothetically)
This is anthropomorphism. It's just childish.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 875 of 882 (836004)
07-07-2018 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 874 by Phat
07-06-2018 8:27 PM


Re: Just One Deity
Phat writes:
GDR is suggesting that at the root we all seek to know the GOD WHO is. You, OTOH don't believe that there is One GOD Who is, nevermind multiple candidates. Perhaps GDR would suggest that you do seek Truth, and by that criteria are seeking GOD by default.
'The god who is. Seeking truth'. This is all just religious drivel. Pompous and meaningless religiosity.
And for Tangle, doing acts of love for humanity is as close to the truth as any religion, correct?
'Acts of love for humanity.' More religious drivel.
All this language is irrelevant. It's religions' attempt to place all human activity within its own silly paradigm. I'm not seeking truth or performing acts of love, I'm just living my life the best way I can. The way that feels right or gets me by and makes me the happiest.
Please try to understand that this is not a search for any kind meaning and purpose - I know it's hard for you to do but please put aside any thoughts you may have that my motivations resemble anything resembling the religious kind. There is no purpose so looking for one is going to make you very unhappy.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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