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Author Topic:   Religion or Science - How do they compare?
Phat
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Message 865 of 882 (835728)
06-29-2018 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 864 by Tangle
06-29-2018 3:24 AM


Re: Scriptural Acrobatics
tangle writes:
I'm certainly prejudiced against fiction being worshipped as truth.
We agree there.
Tangle writes:
People invent religions for others to follow for all sorts of reasons and once invented they follow a life of their own driven by the irrationality of its believers.
Yours is just another one of thousands of others.
You've lumped all of them together! How do you know that one is just like another? How do you know that all religions were invented?
What does belief in God have to do with religion by definition anyway?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 868 of 882 (835734)
06-29-2018 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 867 by Tangle
06-29-2018 1:23 PM


I wish I was special...so very special
Why do you think that your religion is special?
I don't. I DO think that the God I worship is special, though.
To use the cliche, you also believe that all religions are inventions. Except one.
Again, I believe that all gods are inventions and/or demons. Except One.
I agree with jar in that humans are likely wrong about describing God. Where I disagree is that I believe that God,if God exists is capable of reaching us. As to whether or not He chooses to do so I see no reason why we would be a waste of His time. Do you? (Hypothetically)

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 874 of 882 (836003)
07-06-2018 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 872 by GDR
07-05-2018 8:02 PM


Re: Just One Deity
GDR writes:
Firstly it isn't about which deity we believe in. For example, all Abrahamic religions at their root worship the same god.
Tangle writes:
Everybody thinks the god they worship is special. Funny then that they're different gods and different beliefs.
GDR is suggesting that at the root we all seek to know the GOD WHO is. You, OTOH don't believe that there is One GOD Who is, nevermind multiple candidates. Perhaps GDR would suggest that you do seek Truth, and by that criteria are seeking GOD by default.
GDR writes:
Faith is prepared to worship a deity who would be prepared to support genocide and public stoning. I worship a deity who would under no circumstances do such a thing.
So are you saying that you both seek the same GOD, namely the One Who is, while at the same time having a different understanding as to the nature of such a Deity? Tangle, further, seeks truth yet sees no need or reason to look for a God who is not there. So could all three of you still be looking for the same thing?
GDR writes:
Tash represents a deity who espouses hatred and Aslan represents a deity who espouses love. However, Lewis’ point is that acts of love done in the name of Tash are actually done for Aslan and acts of hatred done in the name of Aslan are actually done for Tash.
Thus anyone who does acts of love is doing them for the One God who is, correct? And for Tangle, doing acts of love for humanity is as close to the truth as any religion, correct? thus everyone seeks the same thing.. we just have different understandings of what that thing is....is this your basic argument?
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 878 of 882 (838834)
08-29-2018 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by ringo
05-06-2018 2:11 PM


Re: Revising The Book
ringo writes:
This isn't about me; it's about your apologist sources. They have essentially apologized God out of the equation.
Not all of them!

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 881 of 882 (838989)
08-31-2018 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 880 by dwise1
08-31-2018 6:20 PM


Re: Revising The Book
No. That is Dr.John Lennox, of late an apologist.
quote:
hn Lennox is Professor of Mathematics (emeritus) at the University of Oxford and Fellow in Mathematics and the Philosophy of Science at Green Templeton College, Oxford. He is also an Associate Fellow of the Said Business School, Oxford University, and teaches for the Oxford Strategic Leadership Programme. In addition, he is an Adjunct Lecturer at Wycliffe Hall, Oxford University, and at the Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics, as well as being a Senior Fellow of the Trinity Forum.
jar can laugh at them if he wishes, but he makes some decent arguments, which I suppose I could present in my own words once I internalize them enough.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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