In 2008 the Supreme Court disconnected the right to bear arms from service in a militia, ruling that there was a right to own guns for any lawful purpose. One of the arguments for the majority, written by Antonin Scalia, related to the phrase bear arms:
quote:At the time of the founding, as now, to "bear" meant to "carry." In numerous instances, "bear arms" was unambiguously used to refer to the carrying of weapons outside of an organized militia.
There were, of course, other arguments in the ruling, but the definition of bear arms seems fundamental. If Scalia were correct that it was used primarily outside a military context, then his reasoning to separate "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" from "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" would make sense. But he had his facts backwards and so his argument does not hold water. The term bear arms was used in military contexts in the 18th century, and the right of the people described in the Second Amendment was specific to militias.
Since government militias are non-existent today, there can be no constitutional right of the people to keep and bear arms.
--Percy
We've also very recently had another Texas school located mass shooting. Not me, but perhaps someone else might want to post something here on that.
I wouldn't go that far. If the father has contravened the law - they would likely look the other way in most cases if it was known the son was leaving the State. Given what the son did, however, the people who operate the law may decide that they won't look the other way.
"The people who operate the law" are subject to oversight. I will never say that there cannot be a prosecution, and I certainly cannot say that no jury would convict. But any conviction that resulted would be on very flimsy grounds. In my opinion, such a conviction would be against the weight of the law.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
I wouldn't go that far. If the father has contravened the law - they would likely look the other way in most cases if it was known the son was leaving the State. Given what the son did, however, the people who operate the law may decide that they won't look the other way.
"The people who operate the law" are subject to oversight. I will never say that there cannot be a prosecution, and I certainly cannot say that no jury would convict. But any conviction that holds Dad responsible for the murders that resulted would be on very flimsy grounds. In my opinion, such a conviction would be against the weight of the law.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
quote:At least 10 people were killed when a gunman opened fire inside a small-town Texas high school, in what Gov. Greg Abbott called "probably the worst disaster ever to strike this community."
Ten others were wounded in the morning attack at Santa Fe High School.
A 17-year-old suspect is in custody and being held at Galveston County jail without bond, school district officials said in tweet, adding that the alleged shooter is being charged with capital murder and aggravated assault of a peace officer.
Something to get it in the record here.
I think a big part of the problem is trickle down stupidity in the Trump era.
But any conviction that holds Dad responsible for the murders that resulted would be on very flimsy grounds. In my opinion, such a conviction would be against the weight of the law.
Agreed. But I'm talking about holding him responsible for breaking the laws surrounding prohibited firearm distribution - which if true, would be fair game and be on pretty solid grounds.
Appeals processes through the courts are an uphill battle even when a person has a great case - the alternative would be in the form of a governor's pardon. Rauner doesn't have a reputation that would suggest success can be relied on there.
quote:A toddler somehow got his hands on a pistol and fatally shot himself in the head in a tragic accident in Fresno, California, on Saturday. ... "You're required to, if you have firearms in the home, they need to be locked and out of reach of children," Beck told KFSN.
This tragic event again raises the question that if firearms in the home should be kept in one lockbox and ammunition in another, of what possible use is a firearm for defense?
It also reminds us that guns do far more harm than good, primarily to those who favor them most.
It also reminds us that guns do far more harm than good...
Percy, Percy, Percy, you still don't understand. The problem is that there aren't enough guns. If the toddler's left hand had had a gun, he would have been able shoot his right hand before it killed him.
f the toddler's left hand had had a gun, he would have been able shoot his right hand before it killed him.
This is just silly. What was needed was a good toddler with a gun.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
Today's news reports from Utah: Stray Bullet Kills Teen. Zackary Kempke was riding in the back seat of his family's car when he was struck in the head and killed instantly by a bullet fired by another family engaged in target shooting from several hundred feet away. No charges have been filed at this time.
This reminds me of an incident from maybe 15 years ago where a hunter fired at a deer and missed, striking and killing a housewife hanging wash out on the line. No charges were filed.
Guns are too dangerous to be in the hands of the general public. Those who do own guns should only be permitted to fire them at approved, regulated and inspected firing ranges. Hunting ground borders should never be within shooting distance of a non-hunting related structure/house/business, or hiking/biking/snowmobile trails, etc.
This reminds me of an incident from maybe 15 years ago where a hunter fired at a deer and missed, striking and killing a housewife hanging wash out on the line.
Reminds me of a newspaper article some years back: A school in Los Angeles, I think, was considering building a wall around its playground to keep stray bullets out. Just goes to show there's a solution to every problem.
Walls can sort out pretty much any problem. Just ask a Berliner.
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Today I'll be openly carrying an FEG PJK-9 which is a clone of the Browning High Power and made in Hungary. IIRC I bought this in the mid 1980s. It will have a 10 round magazine plus one round in the chamber and carried "Cocked & Locked". I will also have two 13 round magazines for it.
My backup handgun will be a Smith & Wesson Double Action model 4 that was likely made in 1903. It's a 5 round top break revolver with an auto eject feature. I'll have two speed loaders for it with an additional 5 rounds each.
So you carry two handguns fully loaded? What do you expect to encounter?
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