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stratnerd Inactive Member |
horsegal243 et al.,
I totally agree, sort-a. Evolution is not a theory; it's a paradigm. My thinking is this: theories are working models that explain several phenomena, whereas paradigms are "world views" and much more encompassing. Evolution is about as broad-sweeping as a concept can become and is composed of several theories that explain its inner workings (e.g., allopatric speciation,sexual selection, natural selection, etc). I dunno, I'm not a philosopher of science and I would greatly appreciate other opinions.
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no2creation Inactive Member |
quote: n2c feeling silly for his spelling error Maybe you'd like to shed some light on how Darwins Study of Finches isn't a good example.
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no2creation Inactive Member |
quote: The principles of evolution by natural selection are finally beginning to inform medicine If you don't understand Darwins Study, maybe you could have a read of the above. It comes from the Scientific Americans website, and includes a good deal of information on what can be observed today using evolutionary principles. Strains of bacteria, like Staphylococcus aureus, Enterococcus faecalis, Mycobacterium tuberculosis and Pseudomonas aeruginosa, have all become more resistant to antibiotics. What is interesting is that through Darwins work and the ToE, we can begin to understand what is happening. Or maybe you have a better explanation?
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"Maybe you'd like to shed some light on how Darwins Study of Finches isn't a good example."
--I'm not sure that any living example would be plausable, mabye killer whales and dolphins would be a little better. Another one of those things in the support of both views though I guess. ------------------
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Um, the Theory of Evolution is, indeed, a theory, just like any other scientific theory. It doesn't matter how broad-sweeping it is. Gravitational theory is broad-sweeping, too. Do you think that Gravitational Theory is not a theory, but simply a paradigm, or "world view", as well? ------------------"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow- minded." -Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7884 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
my biggest problem with evolution is the fact that its not readily available and can only be made on evidence thats shaky at best. Just because a radiometric dating test shows a billion years or what not does not meant that it is a billion years old its just that appears to be that old, chances are very likely that it is but you never know what could have happend to the samples or how flawed your method may really be. I also really dont think that it would be plausable for apes to evolve into man, it just would take way to long and require so many variables that make it completely assumed.
Also i usually see atheism as an escape from responsibility and a desperate attempt to be remembered by not following the group and letting things pass you by. Ive said before that without Jesus and the promise of afterlife i have to purpose to do anything for anyone for any reason. I wouldnt have anything to live for, anyone to look up to, but that is of course just me and everything i say is meaningless since ill probably never get a halfway acceptable college degree or a good paying job. I can tell already that im doomed to live a typical middle class life already, probably very single. I cant stand the way some humans act, how desperate they are for any kind of attention and how much they want to be loved but rarely ever get it or try to get it. To be an ignorant child with no responsibilities again would make me blissful but i know that i have responsibilities to my beloved Jesus, to my family, and to all those that are going to hell and dont realize how many consequences that are associated with their actions. People right now are generally extremely self centered and very opposed to any sort of change, theres a war going on right in the middle east now because of land, something so trivial but so very necessary to survival and somewhat honor. Even worse is the fact that discrimination is very widespread and im not talking about racial im talking about way of life and amount of wealth discrimination. The very fact that people have to live on the streets to live should tell you something about how bad our society is becoming. Of course i dont see working nine hour shifts in an office much different either than you can have a somewhat good living off of it. Actually as far as i see it there isnt very much racial, or sexist discrimination going on in the U.S.Thats all for now, need to get some sleep. im sure i said something relatively offensive or at least ignorant in someones eyes but again your opinion on science doesnt matter to me if you cant have some faith in Jesus. ------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, Christians are the only people that matter, eh? Tell me again how self-centered people are in this country again?
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Dr_Tazimus_maximus Member (Idle past 3217 days) Posts: 402 From: Gaithersburg, MD, USA Joined: |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by KingPenguin:
[B]my biggest problem with evolution is the fact that its not readily available and can only be made on evidence thats shaky at best. [/QUOTE] Actually the evidence is quite available. There are a large number of books published over the last 20 years that have made the more difficult aspects of science readily available to the general public.
quote: That is thereason for the use of orthogonal methods and internal controls in the dating techniques. It weeds out the bulk of the uncertianty.
quote: I am sorry but you really need to read a bit more about the theory and then post again on this aspect. The real basis for the evolution of Homo sapiens has been posted as nauseum and I see no reason the repost it here.
quote: First, it has been my observation that it is generally the deists, and specifically those from the Judeo/christian/moslem lineage who take the least responsibility for the actions. They "surrender" to gods will or say that they were swayed by satan. Never that THEY screwed up and did a bad thing. Second, not all people who understand that evolution occured are athiests, most are thiests or agnostics (the later is me quote: And that has what to do with evolution. I do not like the idea that people who want to work end up without jobs, but not everyone who lives on the street wants a job. It is very un-PC to say this but it is the truth. While in Grad school and living ina very bad neighborhood myself and my roommates would sometimes offer to buy some of the local homeless sandwich at the local circle K. Some would accept and some would want the $ but not the sandwhich (which we would never do). I came to find out that some of the homeless were on the streets of their own volition. Some did not want to have to work for "the man", I wasted very little pity on these; others had gotten stuck in bad situations or had mental problems, these are the ones that we tried to help. And what is wrong with working 9 hour shifts, that actually would be a short day for me quote: Fortunately your opinion has little to do with the real world. I hope that neither you nor yours will ever need the services of my company. However, in the event that you do you will be happy to know that I am quite good at science and it might just save your life or the life of someone that you care about. Anyway, I hope that you feel more upbeat after some sleep. ------------------"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur Taz
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