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Faith
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Message 1 of 277 (836599)
07-19-2018 8:55 PM


I've been more or less avoiding anything to do with politics for some time because it's so volatile and emotionally exhausting. Can't avoid it completely unfortunately, it's in-your-face everywhere, at least the leftist version of it is, you have to make an effort to get the other side of it. Yahoo headlines are nonstop Trump bashing, so are all the major news networks.

It's amazing, it's unprecedented, and yet the left insists it's not so, that it's Trump causing all the problems, they are merely being rightly critical. Well THAT's not so but I gave up a long time ago saying anything about it here or to anyone except people who share my views. There are a lot of us but the other side drowns us out because they have the favor of the media.

But today Yahoo put up a link to a brouhaha on The View between Whoopi Goldberg and a guest I'm not familiar with, Jeanine Pirro, a judge who just wrote a book, Liars Leakers and Liberals: The Case Against the Anti-Trump Conspiracy.. I just read Chapter One at Amazon and think she did such a good job I had to post it. I'd copy out some of it but I'd have to type it myself. Maybe I can come back later and do that. Meanwhile I recommend reading that first chapter to anyone at all interested.

ABE: Well, I don't post on the Trump Bashing thread, by request from Admin, so to get the other point of view said does require another thread. I got the kindle version of the book and have been reading it on my PC. What a relief it is to read someone who actually likes Trump, can spell out his good qualities and his achievements, his generosity, his patriotism, his concern for forgotten classes of citizens, who sees that there really is an unprecedented conspiracy to bring him down by the Left, who hate my half of the country, and canspeak for those who voted for his truly America-loving policies.

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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism

If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan


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Message 3 of 277 (836619)
07-20-2018 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Percy
07-20-2018 2:16 PM


It's so nice to have a book like this one by Jeanine Pirro that clearly says how wrong you and the leftists are about all that. There really is a conspiracy, it is NOT normal news at all and she knows it, just as I've known it all along. No, there is no point in arguing it on your thread, or even on this one I suppose because the conspiracy is at full throttle here and nobody on your side has any interest in fairness to the other side.
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Message 7 of 277 (836630)
07-20-2018 3:12 PM
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07-20-2018 3:05 PM


The press is not free, not since Trump was elected. They are in thrall to an agenda. They have given up on any pretense at objectivity or fairness. Pirro is so right about everything that has happened. It's so extreme even you on the left should be able to see it, it's really amazing how you all accept and repeat the ridiculous rationalizations.

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Faith
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Message 15 of 277 (836640)
07-20-2018 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by ringo
07-20-2018 3:25 PM


When everybody is crazy but you, it' s probably you that's crazy.

Me and Jeanine Pirro and all the millions who voted for Trump. We're all crazy, right? Crazy, stupid, whatever.


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Faith
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Message 16 of 277 (836641)
07-20-2018 5:26 PM
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07-20-2018 3:41 PM


OK, the press is free, free to give up on all their once-admirable standards of objectivity and fairness when something happens that so seriously challenges their leftist proclivities like the election of Donald Trump.; Then they seem to have decided that it's more important to defy the will of half the country and distort the news or outright lie to bring him down.

Pirro points out that Trump used to be hugely popular with the press and often presented him in a good light. She says he hasn't changed but once he won the Presidency on a conservative platform they committed to bringing him down. It's been obvious that this is going on to most of us on my side. There is a journalistic blitzkrieg going on and it is truly unprecedented.

I don't know about an international conspiracy but that might be true too. However, given Europe's leftist proclivities, such as their suicidal attitude toward their immigrant anti-European Muslim problem, it isn't surprising that they would oppose Trump's America First views.

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Faith
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Message 18 of 277 (836654)
07-20-2018 6:06 PM
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07-20-2018 5:54 PM


Cuz I'm right?
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Faith
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Message 21 of 277 (836659)
07-20-2018 10:17 PM
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07-20-2018 8:58 PM


In the context of Pirro's book, who knows if you're all crazy or stupid or both. You haven't mentioned a single specific thing about it. I did read chapter one, and it's full of lies and absent any substance, so my suspicion is that anyone who finds chapter one convincing already believes that kind of silly stuff anyway and is a sucker for conspiracy theories.

I'm sure you're right, those who are convinced by her already think that way, it's just nice to see it confirmed by someone else. Not that it's new, the Right has been taking note of this for some time now, but it's satisfying to have it all in one place like her book. We all agree about all of this, we can see what's going on quite clearly though we do appreciate those in the public eye who say it out loud.

It would also be nice if some of those on the left might recognize that there really are a lot of us who see things this way and consider that maybe there's something to it. But I guess not, we're all just crazy or stupid or both.

There really are conspiracies, especially these days, particularly on the Left.

Say, I've been good and stayed off your Trump-Bashing thread since you requested it of me; I wonder if you would be so kind as to stay off this one?

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Faith
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Message 23 of 277 (836663)
07-21-2018 4:36 AM
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07-21-2018 2:15 AM


The Left is the Oppressor these days
As I started out saying I have been avoiding politics, I don't have any stomach for what is being said and done against Trump, it is clear to me that there is a conspiracy to bring him down with all those accusations and I can't do anything about it and I don't need the ulcer so I don't follow it. But I know enough to appreciate what Pirro is saying.

It isn't just from the Democrats, but also fake Republicans, but in general it's right to say that the oppression and violence are from the Left. It's been coming from the Left since Trump was elected and it's the quiet nonviolent conservatives who have been suffering from it. This idea that it comes from the right is some kind of weird propaganda. Clueless. There has been no sign of it yet, and all the violence that has happened has come from the Left. The Left is Fascist these days, not the Right. See the quote from Reagan in my signature. that's where the evil is today.

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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism

If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan


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Faith
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Message 25 of 277 (836670)
07-21-2018 5:43 AM
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07-21-2018 5:04 AM


Re: The Left is the Oppressor these days
All that is false leftist propaganda.
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Faith
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Message 27 of 277 (836672)
07-21-2018 6:27 AM
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07-21-2018 6:22 AM


Re: The Left is the Oppressor these days
Charlottesville had nothing to do with conservatives, it was a bunch of white supremacists.

But Antifa beats people up and provokes violence wherever conservatives gather. There are still violent acts against innocent Trump supporters minding their own business. The hate and violence is all on the Left.

Everything said about Obama was true and more than that.

There is definitely a leftist conspiracy against Trump and his supporters and really, against the freedoms America always stood for.

The lies are on your side.

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Faith
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Message 30 of 277 (836681)
07-21-2018 8:15 AM
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07-21-2018 7:57 AM


The press is NOT the same as it has always been.; A few weeks ago I heard a journalism professor on the radio talk about how the press gave up its commitment to objectivity because they judged that it was more important to bringt down Trump. I didn't need to hear that to know that the nonstop blitzkrieg attack on Trump on every news outlet was unprecedented and that something new and ugly was going on. Nothing like this has ever happened to any President before and everybody who is saying that is blind as a bat.

This is more than an attack on Trump, this is a direct assault on American freedoms.

The press is lying, distorting, spinning everything in a negative light, emphasizing trivial gaffes and blowing things out of proportion, anything they can invent to make Trump look bad. This is truly unprecedented. It's politically motivated. Whatever Trump's personal faults, this is a well funded politically motivated attempt at a coup.

And you are lying about my views of Muslims, lying through your teeth, tarring me with racist motives because that's what leftists do, you can't tell the truth you have to slather on the Political Correctness which is nothing but character assassination. Fascist Leftist Liar.

I did ask you to please leave this thread since I left yours at your request. Please do so.

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Faith
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Message 32 of 277 (836684)
07-21-2018 8:26 AM
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07-21-2018 8:25 AM


Please leave this thread you lying Fascist Leftist propagandist.

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Faith
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Message 52 of 277 (836719)
07-21-2018 2:21 PM
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07-21-2018 9:45 AM


Re: Focus On The Book
If you're going to "ahem" me for finally reacting to the abuse, you are totally missing what is going on here.

That's OK, I'm going to try to leave the thread myself. There is no way to fight this kind of abuse.

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Faith
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Message 53 of 277 (836720)
07-21-2018 2:28 PM
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07-21-2018 1:42 PM


Re: Keep Discussion Civil.
At least you're predictable. Ignorant and dishonest, but predictable.(...)You lie, as always.

Did you ever sit across from someone with a wart on their nose? In polite society, we dont bring up any perceived or obvious flaws in others. Forum Guidelines
This is a warning.

Did you actually agree that I'm ignorant and dishonest? Some moderator.


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Faith
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Message 55 of 277 (836725)
07-21-2018 5:29 PM
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Re: Focus On The Book
... and if we had tougher moderators, there would be no discussion forum here.

What discussion? There hasn't been any real discussion here for years. On this thread the arguments themselves are abusive, not just the egregious namecalling that is done. But even the term "leftist" is treated as namecalling by the left, though it does happen to have real content and meaning to the right. PaulK has long since given up any pretense at discussion. Equating rank and file conservative Trump supporters with white supremacists is just slander and namecalling in itself, not discussion, not to mention that he has been calling me some over thetop names lately. Stormfield deserves s suspension every time he opens his mouth.

And really, the same is true of Percy though you seem to be blind to it. He says he's not a leftist but he's using all the Politically Correct accusations against me. I oppose illegal immigration and Muslim immigration for good reasons that have nothing whatever to do with racism but the Left only knows what Cultural Marxism decrees: we are racists and homophobes and worse, there is no such thing as objective reasons for these things.

Also, this demand for evidence isn't as reasonable as you think it is, it's just a way of refusing to entertain the reasonable point of view of the opposition, basically a big fat "shut up" to conservatives. Sorry there really is a conspiracy by the leftist media to bring down Trump but all we get is the inane declarations of what the press is supposed to be without a hint that anybody sees the total blitzkrieg that's going on.

So I should have known better than to start such a topic in the first place. Because discussion is NOT possible here.

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